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12volt battery in a 6 volt system

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lekander883

05-01-2005 05:35:48




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I read in an earlier letter of someone having problems starting there tractor. And one idea was to put a 12 volt battery in and not to worry about the generator. Is this true and if so why couldnt you also use a 12 volt deep cycle marine battery for longer use between charges from a battery charger?




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scot_c

05-09-2005 22:11:44




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 Re: 12volt battery in a 6 volt system in reply to lekander883, 05-01-2005 05:35:48  
the generator on my SM pushes 15 amps into my 12v battery at about 15 volts. I've heard the generators are good for up to 16 or 18 volts. I got a resistor from auto zone for a 85 dodge pickup (v8 external resistor, they need that much info) it's got a mount hole and was cheap(under 5 bucks). I cut a small peice of metal and drilled 2 holes in it to mount it beside the coil, would post a picture if i had a digital camera. As far as the starter, low voltage will burn up an electric motor faster than high voltage because it will heat up more trying to spin the motor fast enough to start. I wouldn't go pushing 18 or 24 volts into the starter but 12 won't hurt it unless it's already gone. My SM starts in 3 cranks and that might take 3 seconds of crank time, never did that running 6 volt. My next conversion will be using a small chrysler altenator and voltage regulator to see how well that works.

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captaink

05-02-2005 13:03:14




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 Re: 12volt battery in a 6 volt system in reply to lekander883, 05-01-2005 05:35:48  
Ah… I don’t want to offend anyone but here are a few things to consider when converting from 6-volts to 12-volt system ezpecialy the concern about burning out a 6-volt starter with 12-volts. I say this is a myth for the following reasons.

First, the law of physics states that in electricity; power in watts = amps multiplied by volts (or watts divided by volts = amps). Now, if you have a 600 amp 6 volt battery it will put out 3600 watts of power. If it takes all the electricity the 6-volt battery will put out to start an engine that means the starter takes 3600 watts of power. If you convert that system to 12-volts, 3600 watts divided by 12 volts equals 300 amps. Since the 6-volt starter is designed to carry 600 amps, the windings are heavy enough to handle the 300 amps at 12 volts easily. This equation is the same reason that when you wire in an electric motor or other similar load in your home or shop that takes 30 amps to run on 120 volts, it takes only 15 amps on 240 volts. Since on 240 volts it takes less amperage, lighter wire can be used to get the same wattage (power) for the motor.

Second, from the personal experience I have from converting a B, C, and an M to 12-volts. The M was done over 25 years ago. This tractor was (and still is) under a loader and was used almost daily for 18 years. In that time the only starter I replaced was the starter on the M and only once. Yup, you read that right ONCE. That replacement was the original one (1950 model) finally wearing the bushings far enough to cause the armature to drag on the fields. Nope, didn’t burn up, just wore out from all the starts it delivered.

I still maintain that if you burn out a 6-volt starter (either with a 6 or 12 volt battery) it is because you abused it by running it too long at one time and not giving it enough time to cool off.

By the way, I think the cost and effort of putting in a charging device is well worth it.

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Hayfarmer

05-02-2005 07:36:49




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 Re: 12volt battery in a 6 volt system in reply to lekander883, 05-01-2005 05:35:48  
I have converted 2 tractors from 6 to 12 volt using an alternator. I would not change either back. If you are not using lights and have a magneto the tractor may start quite a while on a battery with no charging system. If you want to go that way I would put on alternator. It is an easy conversion. As mentioned you need a resister in the wire to the coil or a 12 volt coil with internal resister. If your tractor is a "user" and you anticipate using lights on it or attached equipment this is the way to go.

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Tommy Pierce

05-01-2005 19:35:06




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 Re: 12volt battery in a 6 volt system in reply to lekander883, 05-01-2005 05:35:48  
I would ever put a 12 volt in a 6 volt system, you will burn up your starter and it want help your generator either. I have put a 8 volt in and bumped up the generator to keep the battery at 8 volts. It works good but still isn't the best on the starter. Make sure you have 2 gauge cables on the tractor and the generator is putting out properly. The old 6 volt is the best for a tractor that was built for 6 volt.

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G-mann

05-01-2005 14:41:18




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 Re: 12volt battery in a 6 volt system in reply to lekander883, 05-01-2005 05:35:48  
Last summer I replaced the generator on my C with an alternator. I had a rewind shop build me a special because tractors as a rule run at low RPM"s. The one I now have is a single wire and turns on when I start the tractor and rev the engine the first time. Pretty simple! I get full currant from the alternator at pretty low RPM"s as compared to an automobile alternator that runs over 2000 RPM"s most of the time.

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RayP(MI)

05-01-2005 13:59:28




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 Re: 12volt battery in a 6 volt system in reply to lekander883, 05-01-2005 05:35:48  
There are several excellent articles posted on this site about 12v conversions. Easy to do, if you're creative, inexpensive. Purists will tell you that you're ruining the machine, I needed 12v to run some attachments, and lights. Phooey on the purists. Works very well as a 12v!



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old

05-01-2005 08:09:22




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 Re: 12volt battery in a 6 volt system in reply to lekander883, 05-01-2005 05:35:48  
Yes you can put a 12 volt battery on a 6 volt system but, if you are going to keep useing it that way you need to add a ballast resistor to the coil wireing. Also a good 12 volt battery will last a long time with out being charged as long as you don't have to start it often. Depending on the tractor its not hard to put an alternator on them, but some of the farmalls you almost need to find one from some of the Jap cars because a delco alternator will not fit under the hood.

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Floyd 352

05-01-2005 05:48:26




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 Re: 12volt battery in a 6 volt system in reply to lekander883, 05-01-2005 05:35:48  
I have an old sh and a m neither was a generator. I put a new 12 volt coil in them ,hooked the neg to ground and used them. Get a month on a charge,and Keep a spare hot bat around. This spring I going to put a gm alt in both of the tractors. It is simple as they have internal regulators. If you look aroung someone has ghanged one to give you an idea



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