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Proper direction of a thermostat on an M

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Nathan in Texas

05-09-2005 07:02:58




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Well, I replaced my Thermostat on my M over the weekend and I'm pretty sure I did it right but it still isn't running in the "Run" section of the temperature gauge.

I should have taken some pics but I didn't so I'm borrowing some off the net that I found that are somewhat similar.

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In that pic the thermostat on the right is somewhat similar to the one on the M except there is a bit longer piece on the bottom. The pointed end should be pointing down toward the engine block and the other end with the sensor should be pointing up to the radiator? It looked to be the only way to put it in but now I'm having 2nd thoughts and I might be wrong.

The only other thing I can think of is that the CaseIH dealership sold me a 165 degree thermostat and that might be a bit too cool for the gauge. After running it for about 1/2 hour mostly on high idle the temp gauge got up to between the C and the O in "COLD" on the gauge. I thought it would get right to the line between the "COLD" and "RUN".

Oh well, if you can make any sense of this post please let me know if I put the thermostat in right or wrong.

Also I was thankful for the posts on this site talking about using grease to set the gasket. I used a very thin layer at first and it leaked to I put a much thicker layer on the 2nd time and no more leaks.

Thanks in advance for any input.

Nathan

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El Toro

05-09-2005 09:34:40




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 Re: Proper direction of a thermostat on an M in reply to Nathan in Texas, 05-09-2005 07:02:58  
If you installed the thermostat as the picture is shown, you have it right with copper colored part
toward the engine block. Hal



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El Toro

05-09-2005 09:34:33




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 Re: Proper direction of a thermostat on an M in reply to Nathan in Texas, 05-09-2005 07:02:58  
If you installed the thermostat as the picture is shown, you have it right with copper colored part
toward the engine block. Hal



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Bob M

05-09-2005 07:49:55




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 Re: Proper direction of a thermostat on an M in reply to Nathan in Texas, 05-09-2005 07:02:58  
Several thoughts:

1 - It appears you installed your new t'stat correctly. You can quit worrying about that!

2 - As Bob suggests below, unless you're working the engine (or unless the outside air temp is approaching 100 deg...) it'll never heat up to the "RUN" range - even running on high idle. Reason: There's a passage cast in the t'stat housing that bypasses enough coolant around the t'stat to keep the engine cool even with a good t'stat installed.

3 - The OEM style temp gages are not exactly precision instruments - they tend to read low as they age/wear out. To find out if your's is reading low, remove the bulb and stick it in a container of boiling water for a minute or so. If it's in calibration the hand will move up near the top of the RUN range.

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Nathan in Texas

05-09-2005 08:26:20




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 Re: Proper direction of a thermostat on an M in reply to Bob M, 05-09-2005 07:49:55  
Hmm...

Just to make sure we are all on the same page, I installed my thermostat opposite of the picture with the pointed end down.

Old and Bob say I put it in wrong and you are saying I put it in right. The one I replaced had to have been in there for a LONG time and I can't imagine that it would have been set to make it overheat and never put in correctly if it was causing any problems.

Since it is copper or brass will transfer the heat pretty well I guess maybe it doesn't really matter?

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Bob M

05-09-2005 10:12:55




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 Re: Proper direction of a thermostat on an M in reply to Nathan in Texas, 05-09-2005 08:26:20  
Mea culpa Nathan... I didn't notice the word OPPOSITE when I read your post the first time!

Anyway t'stat orientation does matter! The t'stat sensor element - the brass button-like thing on the spring side of the 'stat (and is usually stamped with the opening temperature) - MUST be facing the engine side for the t'stat to work. Heat conduction thru the 'stat's brass parts is simply too slow if it's installed backward - the engine will overheat long before the 'stat begins to open.

Note: If you used a new gasket when you installed the new 'stat it should OK to reuse after you flip the 'stat.

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old

05-09-2005 07:46:00




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 Re: Proper direction of a thermostat on an M in reply to Nathan in Texas, 05-09-2005 07:02:58  
Well if you look at the picture that is how it would sit in the top of the engine



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Bob

05-09-2005 07:22:17




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 Re: Proper direction of a thermostat on an M in reply to Nathan in Texas, 05-09-2005 07:02:58  
The copper unit, at the bottom of either thermostat, contains the "wax pellet", which is the temperature sensitive element, and must face the ENGINE.

The engine should heat up with the thermostat in either position. It will OVERHEAT with the copper unit facing the radiator.

If you were not WORKING your engine, that's why it didn't heat up, or OVERHEAT, in this case.



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Nathan in Texas

05-09-2005 07:49:28




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 Re: Proper direction of a thermostat on an M in reply to Bob, 05-09-2005 07:22:17  
Well, I guess that's what I get for thinking.

There was a thermostat in the housing and it was in there the same way I placed the new one. Pointy end down.

Should I pull it back out and put it in the other way? While I'm at it should I switch it out for a 180 degree thermostat?

Do I need to buy a new gasket?

Thanks, Nathan



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Janicholson

05-09-2005 09:40:13




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 Re: Proper direction of a thermostat on an M in reply to Nathan in Texas, 05-09-2005 07:49:28  
Old, and Bob are correct, wax pellet toward heat source (enging). The bypass passage may allow enough hot coolant to get to the other side of the stat, that it might open either way!! however Before ripping it out again, I'd use the tractor doing a bit of field work to see if it does over heat. I also believe boiling your gauge sender is important before field testing. Cracking a head or ruining the enging because the gauge didnt read reasonably is bad economy. Good luck JimN

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