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Allan in NE

06-05-2005 06:32:18




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Mornin' Everyone,

I know I'm boring you fellas to tears with my little projects, but has anyone ever used or even heard of an "Ace" plow?

I keep coming back to this old CAT II plow that a dealer down the road has for sale. He's asking $2500 for it, which is about half the price of a new 4 bottom and has had this one for quite some time; maybe over a year now.

But still, I think he is still way to high, isn't he? (the dealer effect)

I know it would fit my tractor like a glove and looks to be a good sturdy unit, although I'm just not too wild about that goofy double gauge-wheel set up. Otherwise, it sure looks like it is built along the lines of the tried and true IH 140 model.

It appears to have good suck, plenty of ground clearance, has the cover boards and looks to be good and straight. I see it has the throw-away lathes too.

Does anyone have any info on the "Ace" brand name? Can a guy still get parts?

Thanks,

Allan

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JakeF

06-05-2005 20:33:01




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 Re: I know I'm Boring You Guys in reply to Allan in NE, 06-05-2005 06:32:18  
It's an ace. They sold a lot of equiptment in Washington, but I think they went out of business or were bought up by some other allied brand. They do look like a watts. I doubt that it has ace brand bottoms or shears, as all Watts came with your choice of JD, IH, or Olliver bottoms. I would stay away from JD bottoms unless you have real good ground as they don't work well below about 4.5 mph. But if you can use a rigid plow like that you must have pretty good ground or a lot of time. Out here we're all irrigated and we plow corn stalks and alfalfa in before planting the next crop.

5 18's is a load for a 7140 Magnum out here. If that was a hydraulic reset a 966 would need a full set of front weights and loaded front tires to handle lifting it. We have a 145 hyd reset Case IH and the magnum is MFD with all 18 weights and we loaded the front to keep from lifting when we raise the plow. With 4 18's you can plow about 4 acres an hour. Everybody pulls a packer behind thier plow here though, so it takes a little more HP. Jake

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Allan in NE

06-06-2005 05:30:10




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 Re: I know I'm Boring You Guys in reply to JakeF, 06-05-2005 20:33:01  
Hi Jake,

You've reaffirmed what I've been thinking. Overall tho, this old ACE looks to be a pretty good unit.

Some around here do the chisel/sweep thing, some spray and still others use the plow. I can see the results of all, as they are laying side by side and I'll stick with the plow, which just simply does a better job.

Thanks for your input; I appreciate it,

Allan



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Paul in Mich

06-05-2005 19:24:49




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 Re: I know I'm Boring You Guys in reply to Allan in NE, 06-05-2005 06:32:18  
Not me, ..... ..Yawn..... ...Just kiddin. I don"t pretened to speak for others, but you keep me well entertained. By the way, did you ever decide on a drill? YOu may have said so on here, but I"ve been on a YT hiatus trying to get 2,300 acres of soy beans in the ground, so if I missed something, I apologize.



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Allan in NE

06-05-2005 19:49:49




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 Re: I know I'm Boring You Guys in reply to Paul in Mich, 06-05-2005 19:24:49  
Hey Ya old Farmer! :>)

Got the dirty beans in already? What's your hurry? Heck, guys around here haven't been in the field for two weeks 'cause it is so wet.

Yep, got the dreaded drill bought; a little John Deere 117 (I think they call it). It is no spring chicken, but then, neither am I so we should get along just fine.

Gotta take the old brown Chevy pickup so I can yank the presswheels off of it, throw 'em in the back and drag 'er home one of these days. :>)

I just like those old JD drills; seems like they just keep a running and a runnin' like the timex watches used to do. :>)

Allan

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Don L C

06-05-2005 16:16:05




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 Re: I know I'm Boring You Guys in reply to Allan in NE, 06-05-2005 06:32:18  
Allen
If the dealer has had this plow over a year, he is wanting to get rid of it..... make him a offer,providing you can try it out.....if he don't want to do that,somthing must be wrong and you wont want it any way....Don--- South/west Ohio



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CNKS

06-05-2005 14:41:21




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 Re: I know I'm Boring You Guys in reply to Allan in NE, 06-05-2005 06:32:18  
I have never been clear on whether your new farm is irrigated or dryland. If dryland, the others are right, you do not need a turning plow, you need an undercutter/sweep plow as a primary tillage tool, along with as much herbicide as you think you can afford. In western KS (not any different from where you are) every farmer has to have a conservation plan and is supposed to meet residue requirements requiring a certain amount of crop residue on the surface year around. Remember, you are not likely to be growing wheat after wheat. You are going to fallow it for 14-15 months after wheat, or plant corn after 10-11 months, or some other crop, then wheat again 10-11 months later, so you have to retain the previous crops residue. UNLESS you get a lot of rain, then you can do continuous wheat, that is only going to be an occasional event called opportunity cropping. In one of your posts you mentioned alfalfa -- that is why I thought you were going irrigated. All alfalfa in this area and in eastern CO is irrigated, it normally will not produce a decent crop dryland, although I have to remember that you are farther north, meaning "cooler" temperatures. If you have irrigated ground, you might justify a plow, but no one in western Kansas plows anymore, not even on irrigated ground. The only exception to what I said, if you are going dryland, is that you are really "breaking out new ground", provided the existing ground has been in pasture for several years. In that case you "may" need a plow as a one shot deal, but you will never need it again. I think a sweep plow after a rain, followed by repeated use as often as needed, perhaps three more times this summer will get the ground ready to plant wheat. HOWEVER, if it was mine, I would wait until next spring for corn, or Sept 2006 for wheat, because you don't have any subsoil moisture to grow wheat with, the previoius crop has used it all. I believe there is a University of NE research station at Scotsbluff, I know part of the staff at the one at North Platte, or at least I did, the main person I knew died a few months ago. In any event call those people and tell them what you want to do -- they will have a lot of good advice -- that's what they are there for. If I'm all wet, say so, because I'm not clear on what you are trying to do --- .

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gordon hulgan

06-05-2005 16:47:03




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 Re: I know I'm Boring You Guys in reply to CNKS, 06-05-2005 14:41:21  
cnks is right allen plows are histor .it all no till farmer.



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John A.

06-05-2005 12:35:58




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 Re: I know I'm Boring You Guys in reply to Allan in NE, 06-05-2005 06:32:18  
Allan, Hi! Good Sunday afternoon Friend. Say I am not bored by you ?s. But I must agree with Magman here! Since you are getting some nice Western Neb. Soil I am not sure that you will really need that piece of equipment. In a Dryland Operation a turning plow would not be required at all. Even the full irrigation boys I am aware of do not use them at all. Our operation had a JD 3 bottom spinner and for the 10 yrs I farmed with my relatives we never used it, and that was from 1980 to 1990 I know it has not been pulled since. To my recolection the last time it was pulled was around 1975 again that was in a full irrigation (row water ) Corn farm in the TX/Ok panhandle. Now there are a few Central Texas Blackland Corn farmers who use Switchback plows only to rebuild terraces. (About 3 laps /terrace)
I would think a Big Sweep plow; ie.. Noble,Sunflower,Krause (5 or 6 ft sweeps/section. A 966 should handle 3, 7s quite handily, would be a better chioce, Since the name of the game is moisture conservation/eroision control in the High Plains region. Anyway my relatives are strictly Strip-Till now!
My Cousin will be able to make his Sunflower crop off of the residiual 6 ft of moisture profile left over from last yrs corn crop! With $9.00/K Natural gas prices that will go far on this yrs crop.
So I appoligise for bein long here ....Your hard earned $s can be saved for bailers, rackes and other Items.
I will say visit with the local farmers in a 5 mi radious of your new place and see what they use for primary tillage work. And go from there. I think the turning plow is on the way out as a primary piece of equipment, like the oneway disk.
Strictly for working a unique piece of ground, or problem areas. Anyway keep us posted.
Later,
John A.

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Allan in NE

06-05-2005 13:33:32




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 Re: I know I'm Boring You Guys in reply to John A., 06-05-2005 12:35:58  
Hi John,

Well, there ya go; I'm still stuck back in the seventies, I guess.

This is the stuff I'm talking about. I'm assuming the tenant is going to hay it, but I'd sure like to get it back into wheat if the rains will hold out.

Allan

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Don L C

06-05-2005 18:28:23




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 Re: I know I'm Boring You Guys in reply to Allan in NE, 06-05-2005 13:33:32  
Allen...
How long would it take you to plow that field ?..... Don....South/west Ohio



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Allan in NE

06-05-2005 19:13:12




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 Re: I know I'm Boring You Guys in reply to Don L C, 06-05-2005 18:28:23  
Hi Don,

I dunno how this is gonna work 'cause I've got to run this business and just do the "farmin' thing" part timish, slippin' out there when I can find the time.

It is only 50 some acres, but I'll probably end up dinkin' around on it 3 or 4 days.

Dunno,

Allan



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MagMan

06-05-2005 10:38:20




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 Re: I know I'm Boring You Guys in reply to Allan in NE, 06-05-2005 06:32:18  
I also think your waisting your money Allen, Forget the plows rent them if you need to do it once. Then start using no till on everything and good ol rund up Or generek equivelent. Dont Give those oil countrys any more of that old money than you have to. JON



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Hayfarmer

06-05-2005 08:51:59




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 Re: I know I'm Boring You Guys in reply to Allan in NE, 06-05-2005 06:32:18  
I have not heard of an ACE brand but some of those lesser known ones tend to be regional and I think we are on opposite sides of the country. Looks like it has lots of clearance for trash if that is an issue. Also looks like you could hand another bottom on the back if you wanted to sometime. Really cool part is it comes with a spare tire even if it is whitewall.



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Allan in NE

06-05-2005 09:00:50




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 Re: I know I'm Boring You Guys in reply to Hayfarmer, 06-05-2005 08:51:59  
LOL!

Looks like some ol' boy was draggin quite a sizeable packer, don't it? :>)

Allan



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DWV

06-05-2005 08:43:22




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 Re: I know I'm Boring You Guys in reply to Allan in NE, 06-05-2005 06:32:18  
Can't say about plow but not as boring as person on YT classifieds that has cats for sale for $400.



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Brown Dirt Cowboy

06-05-2005 08:01:32




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 Re: I know I'm Boring You Guys in reply to Allan in NE, 06-05-2005 06:32:18  
Allen I looked at that top pic real good, does that name say ACE or ACF? Could make a big difference. Good luck. Tom



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Allan in NE

06-05-2005 08:34:50




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 Re: I know I'm Boring You Guys in reply to Brown Dirt Cowboy, 06-05-2005 08:01:32  
Heck, I dunno.

The dealer is calling it an "ACE". I've never heard of the darned thing; the "ACF" either, for that matter. :>)

It looks to be a good stout plow to me, doesn't it you?

I'd just take that packer hitch clear off the rascal, tho.

Allan



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migraine

06-05-2005 07:39:48




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 Re: I know I'm Boring You Guys in reply to Allan in NE, 06-05-2005 06:32:18  
Allen, I for one don't find it boring. I think many of us are kinda of living our dreams through yours and are watching to see if a senior can actually make this happen in this age of modern agriculture. I wish I had more Knowledge of some of this equpment used in your area so I could respond with something worthwhile. I have been around a Watts rollover plow which is a good unit, looks a lot like that Ace. The 966 would handle a 4 spinner fine, the 5 bottom would make it grunt and be very light on the nose. I believe a better weight power ratio will get more work done day in day out than pushing it to the max and helping the local repair or implement shops with your hard earned money. I'd buy that haybine in a heartbeat, they have a great track record. Now you need a baler and a rake and we're ready to go haying, 95 degrees, a case of beer and t shirts with the sleeves cut off for the true farmers tan, straw hat and a pair of 3 dollar sun glasses. Migraine

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Allan in NE

06-05-2005 08:28:39




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 Re: I know I'm Boring You Guys in reply to migraine, 06-05-2005 07:39:48  
Hi Ol' Bud,

I think you are right. The fella with the 5 bottom told me that he really honestly doubted if the 966 could pull those 5-18s. I tend to agree with him; there is a difference between pulling the danged thing and pullin' it right.

My old plow was a 4-18" Massey and it loaded the tractor just right in 4th gear and like I say, 3rd is too darned slow to do a good job and 1st gear is way, way too fast.

Thanks for the input in the NH 495. The man that owns it told me it was the only mower he had ever owned that would slice right thru dried cheat grass, so that's saying a lot.

He said the one and only time he ever plugged it was when he hung one wheel of 'er over a barpit and tried to mow the roadway ditch. Everthing tended to fall to the bottom of the rollers. :>)

Thanks again,

Allan

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dph

06-05-2005 10:45:49




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 Re: I know I'm Boring You Guys in reply to Allan in NE, 06-05-2005 08:28:39  
Allan, a little off topic, but you mention plows quite a bit, here is a link to a few over at the cat site that you ought to take a look at.



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skipper

06-05-2005 15:13:25




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 Re: I know I'm Boring You Guys in reply to dph, 06-05-2005 10:45:49  
My goodness, that cat plowin is some serious dirt movin. Allen, if you really want to know if those plows will work for you and if you'd be happy with them, couldn't you work out a deal with the dealer to try them with the agreement if they were the right thing you would pay for them after X number of rounds? If the dealer thinks they would be right for you there may be a chance he would go for that, however if he didn't think they were right, he probablly wouldn't go for that. I don't think that is an unreasonable request for something like that under the circumstances. He shouldn't want to sell you something that isn't right if he cares about his customers.

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