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taking off in 5th gear on m

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nositri

06-17-2005 10:47:29




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Well how should an M behave when starting in fifth gear unloaded. Can you take off in fifth with a load on the road. It seems with mine that taking off in fifth with any kind of load would be a problem. When I take off in fifth on a slight incline the engine really chugs and bogs down for a couple of seconds until the tractor gets up to speed and this is completely unloaded. Is my engine just too worn and tired?

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Glen E.

06-19-2005 19:42:08




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 Re: taking off in 5th gear on m in reply to nositri, 06-17-2005 10:47:29  
Whatever engineer designed 5th gear in an M obviously never drove on anything but a flat, level and paved race car track. I think the book says something like 15 mph. I think mine (14.9 x 38) will run every bit of 20.

A guy just brought one to our local show that had a chevy 350 and 3 speed automatic in front of the tranny. It will run 60. I value my life more than that.



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Ron in Nebr

06-17-2005 17:51:11




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 Re: taking off in 5th gear on m in reply to nositri, 06-17-2005 10:47:29  
No offense meant here, but the way an M "should" behave when starting out in 5th is to give a healthy electrical shock through the seat and steering wheel along with a voice that comes on and says "Hey! Start me in a lower gear please!".

Starting any manual transmission equipped anything in too high of a gear is hard on things. Start out in a lower gear and then use the clutch and gearshift lever to shift up once you get rolling. That's what they're there for.

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nositri

06-17-2005 18:40:16




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 Re: taking off in 5th gear on m in reply to Ron in Nebr, 06-17-2005 17:51:11  
yeah, but the only thing is that the ratio between fourth and fifth is such a huge leap, and with non syncrhonized gears these tractors aren't really made for shift on the fly. That's why you have to get skilled in double clutching and matching the input shaft and pinion speeds. No offense taken from your comment, but it's not like we're driving 5 speed cars and taking off in high. It's a different situation with these tractors.

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Ron in Nebr

06-20-2005 07:53:29




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 Re: taking off in 5th gear on m in reply to nositri, 06-17-2005 18:40:16  
Point well taken. Even when shifing "on the fly" into high gear, it seems like most of the time I've darn near rolled to a stop before the gears will engage smoothly anyway, so should just as well start out in that gear in the first place.



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Daniel Jessup

06-17-2005 17:36:19




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 Re: taking off in 5th gear on m in reply to nositri, 06-17-2005 10:47:29  
i dont know bout others tractors but i can take off in 5th gear with a big load behind it. my dads can too but some cant it is kinda normal.



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captaink

06-17-2005 11:16:46




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 Re: taking off in 5th gear on m in reply to nositri, 06-17-2005 10:47:29  
As others said, get it rolling in 4th then wind it up and “double clutch” and shift to 5th while rolling. If you can get your M rolling by staring in 5th without having what you describe as happening, let us know how you do it without smoking the clutch.

In case you haven’t heard the term “double clutch” before here is how you do it. When you get rolling good speed in 4th, step on the clutch, pull the shifter into neutral and idle the engine down and let the clutch out at the same time. This will slow the input shaft speed to closer to the pinion shaft seed. When the engine speed is close to idle, step on the clutch again (the double) and shift into 5th. With practice this procedure will greatly reduce if not totally eliminate the “clash” or grinding when you shift from 4th to 5th.

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dej(JED)

06-17-2005 10:54:22




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 Re: taking off in 5th gear on m in reply to nositri, 06-17-2005 10:47:29  
Don't be too upset about it. No your engine is not worn out. Pull out in 4th and get it rolling,
then shift it on the run. What you are describing is pretty normal for an M.



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Brent in IA

06-17-2005 11:04:57




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 Re: taking off in 5th gear on m in reply to dej(JED), 06-17-2005 10:54:22  
And my H, Super M, and 560g.....



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