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Allan in NE

06-24-2005 04:05:21

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Talking to my neighbor last night.

He says he seriously doubts if I'll be able to pull a 4-18 plow thru this grass infested alfafla field with my 966.

He went on to say that his father, just over across the line in Wyoming, couldn't pull one with an Allis XT-190D.

I know that those IH plows do pull a little hard, but I'm hoping that she'll tug it. Gotta wait for a big rain and maybe down in 3rd tho?

Dunno. :>(

Allan

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scotc

06-30-2005 12:27:29

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Re: The Neighbor Sez in reply to Allan in NE, 06-24-2005 04:05:21

my grandpa pulled 4 16s with the 966 and my uncle pulled a set with the 756 4th or 3rd gear depended on how hard the ground was. 756 did pretty well i got to use it a few times before we parked the 4 bottoms.

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dej(JED)

06-24-2005 10:05:49

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Re: The Neighbor Sez in reply to Allan in NE, 06-24-2005 04:05:21

There is a guy on the classifieds selling a 966 and he says it would pull a 5 X 18 plow.
(raymynuel) is his name and he accepts only cashiers checks. He seems like a nice enough fellow. Can't spell very well though. Now seriously a 966 should pull a 4 X 18 plow without too much trouble.

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Steve KS

06-24-2005 09:26:02

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Re: The Neighbor Sez in reply to Allan in NE, 06-24-2005 04:05:21

I don't know if it will pull it or not - we pretty much just roundup and disc down here. But like Sloroll says - at worst you'll just need another tractor. Say, I know of a 1066 on a dealers lot right across the border...

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GordoSD

06-24-2005 08:19:32

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Re: The Neighbor Sez in reply to Allan in NE, 06-24-2005 04:05:21

The latest crop profit statistics here in eastern SD have shown that overall, alfalfa is the leader in per acreage profit. This is over the last three years. Alfalfa/timothy, and alfalfa/orchard is really a hi dollar crop. Buyers for that are trying to prepay, and contract to have landowners put it in. Wbat are you planning to plant after you plow that up? And how many acres are there? You'll lose money fast if you try to make a profit on less than 640 acres of corn or beans. Nowadays you have to be out there with 16 row planters and 35 ft combines to show a profit. I'd put 100 lbs of fertilizer on that this fall, and another 50 next spring and see what happens. Start saving for a haybine, v-rake and big round baler. And farm diesel is 1.90 here.

GordoSD

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Allan in NE

06-24-2005 10:51:43

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Re: The Neighbor Sez in reply to GordoSD, 06-24-2005 08:19:32

Hi Gordo,

My thoughts exactly. However, this is one tired old farm.

The whole place is literally screaming for fertilizer and I eventually want to get it all into alfalfa while rotating 30 or 40 acres a year.

In looking at it yesterday, I think there is only about 15 acres of standing alfalfa that I can salvage. The rest is just too darned tired and I have to start all over from scratch, unless someone can tell me how to improve an existing stand. ??

I had figured on an initial hit of 15-60? Does that sound okay for a dry region?

Allan

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GordoSD

06-26-2005 07:10:15

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Re: The Neighbor Sez in reply to Allan in NE, 06-24-2005 10:51:43

Either your seed store man, or the fertilizer sale guy can tell you what works best for your area. I do know that when fertilizing good alfalfa you don't need any nitogrn as the afalfa puts it into the ground. I just have the elevator deliver the spreader here, loaded up, drag it around, and they pick it up empty. I'd take the advice on using the herbicide prior to working the grass. And I found the Buccaneer Plus is virtually the same as the improved RoundUp (glysophates) and a lot cheaper. Look into the Alfalfa/orchard mix. Find out where you can rent a Truax Drill, put them in at the same time, next spring. (before the rainy season .)

GordoSD

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Steven Garrett

06-24-2005 14:38:07

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Re: The Neighbor Sez in reply to Allan in NE, 06-24-2005 10:51:43

Save money on fertilizer, spend $15 on a soil test and do it right. Texas A&M does them for $15. Your county agent or USDA office should be able to tell you where to get one done. That way you won't be guessing. Best money you can spend!

CU
Steven

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Allan in NE

06-24-2005 14:46:52

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Re: The Neighbor Sez in reply to Steven Garrett, 06-24-2005 14:38:07

Hi Steve,

Believe me, there is no guessing to this one; I can see the phosphate starvation. I really doubt if it has ever had any outside fertilizer applied. :>(

Allan

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WyoDave

06-24-2005 06:47:04

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Re: The Neighbor Sez in reply to Allan in NE, 06-24-2005 04:05:21

I think I'd agree with the neighbor, but maybe your soil won't be too heavy and you'll get by. For our spinner plows we always figure about 30 horspower per 18 inch bottom when we plow out sod or alfalfa to do a good job. We have some heavy clay soils though.
David

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dave from MN

06-24-2005 05:31:29

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Re: The Neighbor Sez in reply to Allan in NE, 06-24-2005 04:05:21

IS there a neghbor that has some big rig that you can rent and just get it done quick with a bigger plow and more than enough HP/Traction. I plowed a few acres of 20+ year sod using a 60 hp and a 3 bottom IH plow. I'd been better off just bringing in the renters 1135 massey and IH 7 bttm. Mine didnt roll it like it should of, used too much fuel and it seemed to take forever. Only had to disc it 5 times to get a decent seed bed. Sweet corn looks good though.

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Andy Martin

06-24-2005 05:08:06

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Re: The Neighbor Sez in reply to Allan in NE, 06-24-2005 04:05:21

With the price of fuel are you sure you don't want to bale grassy alfalfa? It can bring some pretty good money where i live.

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Jim in NC

06-24-2005 04:41:20

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Re: The Neighbor Sez in reply to Allan in NE, 06-24-2005 04:05:21

I have never used nor had a tractor that size. If I had a tractor and plow that big, I would have to go to the airport to turn it around! That aside, I have found it easier here to disk heavy sod a couple of times after a rain to allow more water penetration before plowing it. It seems to plow much better. We have alot of heavy red clay here and sometimes it is hard to plow very deep. I have a 45 hp tractor that is supposed to pull 3-14 in. plows, but I use 2-16in. because it does a much better job.

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Allan in NE

06-24-2005 04:57:39

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Re: The Neighbor Sez in reply to Jim in NC, 06-24-2005 04:41:20

Now, there's an idea!

I had originally thought that this alfalfa was just a second or third year crop. I'm out there looking at it last night and I'm thinking more like 22nd year.

The derned roots are probably goona be the size of your wrist and the grass has completely taken this field over.

How much did you say farm diesel fuel is again? :>(

Allan

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Sloroll

06-24-2005 04:37:55

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Re: The Neighbor Sez in reply to Allan in NE, 06-24-2005 04:05:21

Now our 190xt was a gasser but the Hp and weight were about the same, just not the fuel consumption. The 966 would pull it out of it's shoes. Stuff that 190xt struggled with was no problem at all for the IH. I think you'll be fine! Worse case... you'll have to get another Tractor.

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James2

06-24-2005 09:44:11

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Re: The Neighbor Sez in reply to Sloroll, 06-24-2005 04:37:55

I agree with you that his 966 will smoke a 190XT. They might be close on the spec sheet, but in the field is a whole other story. A friend had a diesel 190XT and couldn't pull 4-16 as well as we could with a diesel MF265. That 190XT was a mighty disappointing tractor!

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Allan in NE

06-24-2005 04:49:30

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Re: The Neighbor Sez in reply to Sloroll, 06-24-2005 04:37:55

Mornin',

Weren't those XTs a little light in the rear quarters? They always looked like a badger to me. A whole lot of spin for the amount of pull?

Maybe this young feller just has me rattled is all. I know I used to pull a 4-18 with my old 966, but then it was a Massey plow too, which is one easy pulling rig compared to the IH plows.

Allan

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Sloroll

06-24-2005 04:58:11

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Re: The Neighbor Sez in reply to Allan in NE, 06-24-2005 04:49:30

Ours was an Oliver plow. That 190 had the fuel over the rear axle, as you ran out of gas you got lighter. I'm sure that didn't help much. I don't remember spinning a great deal with it but I remember pulling it down A LOT. It was sure handy in the winter though. That gasser would always start. The 966 would too if it were plugged in. Sometimes though you needed a tractor right now. The two tractors although both a huge improvement over the 300U were night and day to each other. That 190 xt was sooooo o slow on the road too. I hated shuttleing hay between farms with it. No live pto either.

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dhermesc

06-24-2005 05:34:22

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Re: The Neighbor Sez in reply to Sloroll, 06-24-2005 04:58:11

190XT is only 75-78 hp at the drawbar at 7,700+ pounds, a 966 is 85 hp (conservatively) at the draw bar and weighs 11,000+ pounds. I would think the 966 should be able to pull a 4-18 with little trouble - even in heavy sod.

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Harley

06-24-2005 09:38:01

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Re: The Neighbor Sez in reply to dhermesc, 06-24-2005 05:34:22

And also Allan, that 9 wouldn't be too hard at all to tweek up just a bit. Not crazy like 150 hp or anything, but it wouldn't be hard to bring it up to 100 or so. We did one back in 74 and it pulled 5/16's back in the black dirt of Iowa. I can't imagine a 966 not pulling a 4 bottom plow. Just have to try it I guess. Harley

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