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43 H Lift All w/Trip Bucket

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ChrisL

07-03-2005 05:14:24




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Finally got her running and now ::::

My H bucket has stopped working, first it would not stay up on it’s own and kept sinking, then would not go up at all. I have read that the fluid for the “Lift All” system is non-detergent SAE 30 motor oil, NOT hydraulic oil - True?.

I have not checked the level yet as I still have to figure that out.

yea still waiting for my manuals – which I did order from this site, tried get them to email me a status on the order - no luck – ordered 6/9 - 7/3 – is three weeks right?

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Roger WI

07-05-2005 19:55:49




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 Re: 43 H Lift All w/Trip Bucket in reply to ChrisL, 07-03-2005 05:14:24  
Chris, Sorry for the late response, but I didn't get to the site this weekend. I rebuilt a Farmall H for my son and I discovered an intersting problem with this H and the loader which operates off the tractor hydraulic system (Model 31 IH loader). It would stay up part of the time, but when it had a light load/no load it wouldn't stay up. I turns out that the lever that operated the hydraulics was not up far enough. The rod was straighted out and the support bracket was too far ahead. I put the bend back in the lever and adjusted the bracket and the loader stays up all the time. Something easy to try. Roger

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ChrisL

07-03-2005 07:46:09




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 Re: 43 H Lift All w/Trip Bucket in reply to ChrisL, 07-03-2005 05:14:24  
Maybe I made a mistake - I just added some (1qt) oil in what appeared to be the lift all cap - right side just above the arm that operates the boom - but I was not able to check if it made any difference as I can not (again) get it running - yesterday it ran fine after new coil, points, condenser, cap/rotor-- runs maybe 20 secs than peters out and will not start or even pop one cly - I think the gas in much too rich and the plugs are getting too wet - -


like I said I ordered manuals here on this site 3 weeks ago and I need to get this tractior working does anyone know how to get my order status, I have emailed twice with NO REPLY - and I am wondering if I should have ordered them somewhere else.

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james sexton

07-03-2005 20:36:39




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 Re: 43 H Lift All w/Trip Bucket in reply to ChrisL, 07-03-2005 07:46:09  
Sounds like you may have a rusty gas tank, look in the little glass bowl under the fuel tank, and sound like it might be sticking the jets open, it might even push some gas out of the carb.
You may need to rebuild the carb and clean the rust out of the fuel tank. If they are not kept filled up when they are sitting, condensation will cause rust.
At least, some of the above worked for me, or maybe I just got lucky.

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Nat

07-03-2005 19:09:42




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 Re: 43 H Lift All w/Trip Bucket in reply to ChrisL, 07-03-2005 07:46:09  
The exact type of oil isn't critical. There really isn't a whole huge difference between hydraulic oil and 30 weight in this particular instance. You certainly can't hurt anything by mixing.

You also won't hurt anything by overfilling. It'll just blow out through the vent in the cap. You'll have a mess, but no damage. If the loader is down, you can fill it right to the top because you'll never have more in the liftall than there is when the loader is all the way down.

As far as the problem with the system not working... I am afraid that there may be something wrong with the control valve. If that's the case, it's not going anywhere anytime soon. There's no fix other than to drop the liftall unit, take it apart, figure out what's broke, and fix it.

You don't mention anything about leaks... If there were a puddle of oil on the ground, you would've mentioned it, right??? RIGHT???

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ChrisL

07-04-2005 05:14:00




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 Re: 43 H Lift All w/Trip Bucket in reply to Nat, 07-03-2005 19:09:42  
Now that you mentioned it, very slow drip - need to look at what I might do to fix -- 1 quart (I only had one) was enough to get her back to the barn

thanks
Chris in Maine



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Leroy

07-03-2005 09:54:31




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 Re: 43 H Lift All w/Trip Bucket in reply to ChrisL, 07-03-2005 07:46:09  
You say lift all cap just above the arm that operates the boom that tells me you are using a single acting system, NO down pressure on loader, only up, you could have a double acting cylinder on the loader but with oil only in one end with a breather plug in the hole for the other hole and if I remember corectly the lift all cap has an oil check dipstick fastened to it,I think possibly by a chain link to give movement to clear gas tank and if I remember correctly the pto has to be running to operate. I do have a book here someplace on that liftall but it would take me quite a while to find it and it id not covered in the operators manual but s seperate book, the H we had came with no hydrolics in 41 and had none untill I added them in about 78-79 and tractor sold in 84

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ChrisL

07-03-2005 10:24:07




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 Re: 43 H Lift All w/Trip Bucket in reply to Leroy, 07-03-2005 09:54:31  
Yes I believe it is all just a single action - only up. However the the dip is gone from the cap, not sure even if the cap is original. I will know more when I get a look at the manauls - but you say the lift all information was not contained in the manuals - i ordered the op, service and parts manuals - if you do find that manual..... and want to part with it, or copy me some of the info - my email LTHEDANSKER@AOL.COM

Much appreciative for the information

Chris L - in Maine

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Leroy

07-03-2005 13:46:09




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 Re: 43 H Lift All w/Trip Bucket in reply to ChrisL, 07-03-2005 10:24:07  
It will take some time to find the book, I just got it after we sold the tractor and installed the pump unit and is a seperate book on installing the pump, The IT&T mamual will have some in but not the installing instructions, the owners manual should give you capacities and hook up ports for cultivator delayed lift, that is your 3'rd port on tractor, loader should be operating of both front ports, one cylinder from port on each side of tractor

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Leroy

07-05-2005 18:25:35




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 Re: 43 H Lift All w/Trip Bucket in reply to Leroy, 07-03-2005 13:46:09  
Just found the book and sent you an email



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Leroy

07-03-2005 07:39:18




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 Re: 43 H Lift All w/Trip Bucket in reply to ChrisL, 07-03-2005 05:14:24  
You say you are using the lift all system so you should have single acting cylinders, not double acting that the second side would act as an oil storage tank as metioned on the other post. The place to check the oil is a cap under the fuel tank to the right of battery and slightly in and foward from where the pully would be, 21 years since we got rid of our H so these are if I remember corectly. You can allso use standard multi weight motor oil or any standard hydrolic oil, will not hurt a thing, just try to drain the system of as much of the old oil as you can and you will be OK. The lift all is a single acting system with the orignal valve but going thru and locking the orignal valve in raised position than an axualery valve can be added for 2 way hydrolics and then you would have the cylinder with the oil reserve in

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ShepherdBill

07-03-2005 06:53:04




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 Re: 43 H Lift All w/Trip Bucket in reply to ChrisL, 07-03-2005 05:14:24  
If you have an IHC loader like the model 30, it stores oil in the front of the cylinders. There is a pipe connected to the top of the torque tube or whatever it is called - to the right of the battery with a hose from each cylinder attached the is the return for the oil stored in the cylinders. The hoses from each side of the tractor are from the lift-all pump. If your loader has this, you can add oil to the cylinders thru the plug on the top upper end of the cylinder. If your loader is something like this & you don't get it figured out, I can e-mail you a drawing.

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GeorgeH

07-03-2005 05:32:13




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 Re: 43 H Lift All w/Trip Bucket in reply to ChrisL, 07-03-2005 05:14:24  
Correct on the oil. If it's all there, there's a dipstick under the cap on top of the unit (kinda over a spring).



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MeAnthony

07-03-2005 05:29:38




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 Re: 43 H Lift All w/Trip Bucket in reply to ChrisL, 07-03-2005 05:14:24  
I'd think sinking would indicate an internal cylinder seal problem. When it went from working to not working, did you notice a leak anywhere? If it had enough to lift previously, and now it doesn't, then where did the hydraulic oil go?

Best of luck,
Anthony.



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