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Opinions on hydraulics, please (lengthy)

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MeAnthony

07-04-2005 05:58:06




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To add live hyd.s to a Farmall M, what do you think of a belt-driven pump as opposed to the factory live pump? I've got a catalog with a belt-driven pump for approx. $225, specs: 40.4 gpm @ 3600 rpm(max), 4000 psi(max). I think someone spec'd the factory setup to be 1200 psi, 12 gpm?

Tractor duties currently are garden plowing, driveway maintenance and mowing.

Accessories I plan to add to the tractor: 3 pt., Farmhand F11 and power steering (in that order). Will this belt pump run this stuff?

On the 3 pt., how useful are 2-way cylinders? I see where it would be great when grading the driveway, but other than that is it useful?

Anyway, thanks to you all for your time,
Anthony.

P.S. Anyone know where there's a decent F11 near Michigan?

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Nat

07-04-2005 18:28:22




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 Re: Opinions on hydraulics, please (lengthy) in reply to MeAnthony, 07-04-2005 05:58:06  
To put it quite frankly, belt-driven hydraulic pumps beyond a wimpy power steering pump, are a complete and utter waste of time. With a pump that big, unless you run a 3 or 4 sheave pulley with "B" width belts, all it's gonna do is slip and burn up belts.



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Hayfarmer

07-04-2005 09:06:54




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 Re: Opinions on hydraulics, please (lengthy) in reply to MeAnthony, 07-04-2005 05:58:06  
As other poster mentioned you may have trouble gettign that much pressure with a belt drive. We put a similar setup on a JD G once to run a small bale wagon with no hydraulics. We had to go to a chain drive to get enough pressure. As far as 2 way cylinders on 3 point, you really don't need down pressure, most times. I have 2 yay cylinders on my SMTA 3 point, I can pull a pin on either side to convert from down pressure to float. I have used the down pressure with some tillage tools to keep a more even depth. If you try to force a blade down or something you'll lift your rear wheels and loose traction and most tools will suck in as designed to do. A lot of the 3 point hitches are convertable to down pressure or not. The 2 way cylinders are just as cleap as the one ways plus the other end of the cylinder is a reservoir. If you go to live hydraulics you have the option of 2 way hydraulics so other than a couple extra hoses it doesn't cost any more. Where did you envision mounting the belt driven pump? Not much room under the hood. I think I would either pick up another tractor with live hydraulics or go with the factory live setup.

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Steven@ND

07-04-2005 07:13:57




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 Re: Opinions on hydraulics, please (lengthy) in reply to MeAnthony, 07-04-2005 05:58:06  
See my webpage for my experience with a similiar idea on an H.

I still like it, but if I could do it over I could have had a 460 for less $$...



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james sexton

07-05-2005 21:26:50




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 Re: Opinions on hydraulics, please (lengthy) in reply to Steven@ND, 07-04-2005 07:13:57  
I recently bought an H, I hvae gotten as far as change the Oil and filter, and filling the tank with this years gas. Delighted that the tractor runs fine, new tires for the back and I will be ready for business, maybe.
Need a three point hitch, the hyd. pump has operating pressure of about 450 pounds, if it is working properly, so the manual states. I doubt that I need more pressure, since I can put a 4 inch cyl.on the three point hitch, is there any reason to put a down cyl. on the hitch?
It will be used for a small farm, so two bottom plow, disc, roto-tiller, cultivator and two row planter is about all that it will be used for, no more than one at a time will be used, so,
is the stock pump strong enough?
Any ideas and all the help that I can get will be gratefully received.
thanks
james

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james sexton

07-05-2005 21:26:50




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 Re: Opinions on hydraulics, please (lengthy) in reply to Steven@ND, 07-04-2005 07:13:57  
I recently bought an H, I hvae gotten as far as change the Oil and filter, and filling the tank with this years gas. Delighted that the tractor runs fine, new tires for the back and I will be ready for business, maybe.
Need a three point hitch, the hyd. pump has operating pressure of about 450 pounds, if it is working properly, so the manual states. I doubt that I need more pressure, since I can put a 4 inch cyl.on the three point hitch, is there any reason to put a down cyl. on the hitch?
It will be used for a small farm, so two bottom plow, disc, roto-tiller, cultivator and two row planter is about all that it will be used for, no more than one at a time will be used, so,
is the stock pump strong enough?
Any ideas and all the help that I can get will be gratefully received.
thanks
james

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