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Is this hard on engine?

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Dick Davis

07-07-2005 01:47:22




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Watched/listened to a Farmall 300 on a New Holland PTO wire tie baler in big wheat straw windrows. Driver was in 3rd and using TA about every 30 seconds. Engine REALLY bellowed on every plunger stroke. It made me cringe to hear it. I thought he was going to fast for conditions and working the tractor way harder than necessary. Any opinions on making a tractor bellow most of the day on PTO work, is it hard on them or just my old ears? Thanks for your input. Dick Davis

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Hugh MacKay

07-07-2005 19:38:22




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 Re: Is this hard on engine? in reply to Dick Davis, 07-07-2005 01:47:22  
Dick: Not going to hurt the tractor, he is using it as it was designed. I wouldn't give a lot of attention to the guys suggesting you not use the TA that much. Much better using it like that than cowboying with it or running it out of adjustment. I know a guy ran his TA equiped tractor out of adjustment for years, then bad mouthed TA. I suppose no tractor would ever wear if we didn't use them.

My first thoughts on this, how are the adjustments on the baler. I've never run a NH wire tie, but do have a lot of experience with NH twine baler. When I say adjustments, I'm thinking plunger settings and plunger knife condition. My experience is if plunger and knife are in good condition and the material being baled is dried well, you cant get enough material through that pickup to cause a 300 much sweat in 3rd gear. With those NH pickups that is one H@$$ of a lot of material. I've seen enough material going through there you never saw a pickup bar or tooth. In my days of baling with 300 and NH S-69, the only reason for using TA was wet material, rough ground, poor or uneven windrows or just pickup couldn't handle volume. New Holland balers will make good 30" bales making 3 plunger strokes to the bale. Remember I didn't say excellent bales. Baling is not a building block competition. It's about harvesting the crop when the weather is good.

My bet is dull plunger knife is the cause for 300 bellowing.

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Steven@ND

07-07-2005 18:38:35




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 Re: Is this hard on engine? in reply to Dick Davis, 07-07-2005 01:47:22  
Hard on engine, no. Tough on the governor and assorted linkages that are moving... Dad used to make those idiot bales with an H - after about 5 years of it the governor insides pretty much fell apart from wear, engine was still good though.

Personally, if you need the TA every 30 seconds either leave it back, or shift down a gear. Why do you want to shift that much anyways?



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captaink

07-07-2005 07:30:46




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 Re: Is this hard on engine? in reply to Dick Davis, 07-07-2005 01:47:22  
Using the TA every 30 seconds shouldn’t be a problem if he is engaging it quickly and fully each way. He’s not pulling a lot of load with the drawbar so TA stress would be minimal, however if he is using the TA that often, he is definitely trying to push the tractor to the power limit.

The baler you mentioned has a plunger that does the compacting of the hay into the bale chamber and packing the bale. This takes a lot of power, so there is a flywheel that in the driveline that “absorbs” energy from the tractor when the plunger is moving out of the chamber and “transfers” energy to the plunger during the compression and looses momentum. What you are hearing is the governor on the tractor opening up trying to bring the RPM of the flywheel on the baler back up to speed.

Working an engine at rated RPM or varying RPM’s that peak out at rated at least for a moment or two don’t really hurt that engine other than the wear and tear on the governor and linkage. I'd be more concerned about the live PTO tube and hub in the back of the pressure plate. My dad used to square bale and had problems with this often.

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gene b

07-07-2005 04:12:36




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 Re: Is this hard on engine? in reply to Dick Davis, 07-07-2005 01:47:22  
Sounds like driver sure dont know how to operate a pto baler. The bales sure couldnt have been very solid as you need 10 or more slices to have a decent solid bale. Maybe he was trying for speed record. No doubt he doesent pay for repairs either.



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Randy in NE

07-07-2005 04:08:33




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 Re: Is this hard on engine? in reply to Dick Davis, 07-07-2005 01:47:22  
I don't think that making it bellow is going to hurt the tractor or engine any. As long as he isn't lugging it down too far. A good workout is what most of our old tractors really need. I would be more concerned with the excessive use of the TA. I guess I don't see that much difference in working it hard through the rear wheels or the PTO shaft. Both were over-engineered on these old tractors. Just my $0.02. Randy

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dhermesc

07-07-2005 05:31:44




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 Re: Is this hard on engine? in reply to Randy in NE, 07-07-2005 04:08:33  
"I would be more concerned with the excessive use of the TA."


I agree. Let the governor do its job with the PTO.



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