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TXfarmall

07-07-2005 20:42:03




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I have an old 54 farmall super C with a 123ci engine that I'm rebuilding the engine on.

I have a complete kit and I need to get the head down to a machine shop for guide installation and valve grinding.

Anyone know where I can get the specs/clearances/valve grind angles etc. for the head work so the machinist knows how to get the job done right?

These engines sure are tough, the poor thing ran the last ten years with a cracked piston. It's done well for a free tractor, have just been using it for light mowing and keeping a 1/4 mile of gravel drive maintained.

Can't wait to se what it does with new valves/springs/pistons and sleeves. I bet runs so good I'll have to repaint and restore it.

Also what's the best way to get a line on a fast hitch setup or hydraulic operated three point hitch?

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farmallhal

07-08-2005 06:39:03




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 Re: Super C question in reply to TXfarmall, 07-07-2005 20:42:03  
I would highly recommend a IH 2 pt. Fast Hitch for your tractor which came on the majority of them from mid 1952 through 1954. They are more functional then the common 3 pt. but to use a variety of newer made items you will need a fast hitch to 3 pt. adapter. The IH fast hitch has down pressure to the extent of lifting the rear of the tractor off the ground. Nothing like using a rear mounted fast hitch grader blade as the 2 pt. system allows you to raise or lower the left side of the blade with the hydraulic system. Works like the "cat's meow" on leveling and maintaining a gravel road. Quite easy to find a 2 pt. IH grader blade. I have seen several 2 pt. hitches for sale at times in the classified ads on this site. Mike at Steel Wheel Ranch (785) 548-7437 would be a good contact person as he usually has them listed for sale in his ad in Red Power. Also, the classifieds in Red Power magazine would be a good place to locate one as well. Just make sure you get all the pieces when you buy one as it can be hard to locate just individual pieces by themselves. Have fun and those SC's are just one of the handiest tractors to have around. Hal

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El Toro

07-08-2005 03:34:26




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 Re: Super C question in reply to TXfarmall, 07-07-2005 20:42:03  
Take your cylinder head to an auto machine shop
that does a lot of autos and truck heads. The valve seat angle is 45 degrees, but as mention by others the machine shop will have all that info in their handbook. They can check the head for flatness too.

You should also take the crankshaft there for measurement and for any machining or polishing.
That should include the block too to remove any sludge and to clean the oil passages.

Make sure that block is clean of all rust and scale where the sleeve seals are installed. Very important to prevent any coolant leakage. Hal

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Ken K.

07-08-2005 17:29:21




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 Re: Super C question in reply to El Toro, 07-08-2005 03:34:26  
Just a little information if you plan to buy a off brand set of sleeve and pistons for your Super C. We put a new set of off brand sleeves and pistons in our A which is basically the same motor as the Super C. It was a after market set which worked fine until the tractor sat in the shed over winter and in spring we found the antifreeze in the oil. It was leaking past the rubber "O" rings at the bottom of the sleeves. I pulled out the sleeves and cleaned everything and put back. Was fine in the summer. The next winter the same thing happened. I finely went to Case IH and got a set of rubber "O" rings for the bottom of the sleeves and put them in and had no leaks since. They must be just a little larger in diameter. Food for thought. Good luck.
Ken

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El Toro

07-09-2005 04:09:34




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 Re: Super C question in reply to Ken K., 07-08-2005 17:29:21  
When you put any wet sleeves in an engine, you should should let it sit overnight with water covering the seals. Do this before installing the pistons. If no leaks are present you should make little metal brackets to keep those sleeves
from moving when installing the pistons and rotating the engine. Coat the lips of the sleeves with dish detergent when installing too.
Hal



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Ken Koch

07-09-2005 11:26:07




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 Re: Super C question in reply to El Toro, 07-09-2005 04:09:34  
Yep! Did all that, Hal, per instructions that come with the sleeve/piston set THREE times with no luck! Looked great when I put the engine back together and it was good until it sat in the cold. The cold weather must have srunk the sleeves enough so they would start to leek. Did the same to the new IH "O" rings when installing them but never had another leek!



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El Toro

07-09-2005 12:25:10




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 Re: Super C question in reply to Ken Koch, 07-09-2005 11:26:07  
I was wondering if they included the wrong seals
with your sleeves. When I restored an A, I installed an oversize kit in it to boost the cid to 123-ci. I bought that kit from our local IH dealer for $80.00, that's been awhile ago. I had more trouble wire bushing the block where the
seals are installed. I bought a wire brush to fit my drill motor and that did a nice job cleaning that area. I bought a Super C after I sold the A. They're a very nice tractor and I liked the fasthitch too. I sold it after a few minor repairs. Now I wish I'd kept it. I ran
it out the main roads for about 15 miles after I had purchased it. I only paid $700.00 for it with new rubber. I sold it for $1995.00 and my mother-in-law was here when my wife told her what I sold it for she just about fainted. I restored 5 or 6 Standard Twin garden tractors after that and one Viking. These were made in the late 30's until WW2 started. They were all gear driven with a multi-disc clutch that ran in oil. The old Hudson cars had this feature.

Keep checking that oil pan for any coolant leakage. Hal

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Bob

07-08-2005 00:47:06




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 Re: Super C question in reply to TXfarmall, 07-07-2005 20:42:03  
Any machinist worth his pay will have a reference manual with the spec's he needs.



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Calif. Farmall

07-08-2005 01:48:52




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 Re: Super C question in reply to Bob, 07-08-2005 00:47:06  
Try www.tonystractors.com he's got the best prices on 3pt stuff. Also you can buy all new guides, valves & springs right here at this web sight for cheap and the machinist will get a first class job done for you. That is my plan for my 53 Super C. I also added a Electronic Ignition kit to replace the points and high voltage coil from here and wow, night and day differnce even on the worn motor it runs smooth as silk. The only thing extra I had to get for the kit was a 5 ohm ballast resister because I run 12 volts. Happy tractoring ! Dan.

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TXfarmall

07-12-2005 14:37:20




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 Re: Super C question in reply to Calif. Farmall, 07-08-2005 01:48:52  
Thanks guys, I'll pay special attention to the O-rings. I'm an old wrencher from way back so I get where the issue is.

I got this tractor for free ten years ago. It was a working tractor but the guy's hand forgot to put the can on the muffler after the last hay for the season and it sat all winter with rain getting in and stuck it.

He tried to sell it to a tractor place and was offered $500, that's with a working sickle blade mower, and cultivator under the front. He got so mad he said he'd give it away first, and I happened to be the first guy to express interest when I was servicing his water well.

I got it unstuck, even though I found a piece of piston skirt inthe oil the first oil change, it's run well enough to maintain the road and mow for ten years. I found a piston cracked across 1/3 held together by the rings when I tore it open. Talk about bulletproof.

I can't wait to see how it runs with a new valve job and 4 good pistons.

Now if I can get a good deal on a 2 point hitch, or a hydraulic 3 point I'll be all set for hopefully another 50 years.

By the way, the method I used to unstick is one I haven't seen here, remove starter and use a 6' pry bar on the flywheel starter teeth, after soaking cylinders in oil for 2 weeks of course. Major leverage that way.

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