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Best tractor to round bale

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Farmsome

07-13-2005 07:16:05




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I'm looking for a cab tractor to round bale with and wondered what would work best. I'm using a vermeer 504 Super I baler that works best with over 60 HP. I am currently using a Farmall 756 which handles the baler very well, but would like to get out of the dust andthe heat. ANd of course, the tractor has to be IH. Thanks




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wolfman

07-13-2005 17:28:32




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 Re: Best tractor to round bale in reply to Farmsome, 07-13-2005 07:16:05  
Can't imagine anything much better than a 756 or 826 for a round baler. They fall from high range to reverse & vice versa like a shuttle shift. Throw a roll bar canopy on it & it's like being under a shade tree - and the 7 is tall enough that you're up out of any dust.



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Allan in NE

07-13-2005 17:39:45




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 Re: Best tractor to round bale in reply to wolfman, 07-13-2005 17:28:32  
Hay dust? What hay dust?

Er are you one of these guys who doesn't live out on the desert and don't have to to bale at 4am when the dew is down? :>)

Allan



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Hugh MacKay

07-13-2005 17:51:03




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 Re: Best tractor to round bale in reply to Allan in NE, 07-13-2005 17:39:45  
Allan: Did you ever try baling with a cab. Even on days when it doesn't seem dusty cab will fill with dust, and it damn well don't blow away. I've seen some good tight cabs with a layer of dust all over inside. Give me the good open tractor for baling with, round or square. Sure I'll go along with the canopy. 30 years later I would say yes to the 706, 756, 826 transmissions over 560 and 656.

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Farmsome

07-14-2005 05:36:40




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 Re: Best tractor to round bale in reply to Hugh MacKay, 07-13-2005 17:51:03  
did you ever bale with a 706?? I"ve never seen an 06 series that shifted smooth enough inthe ranges. Used one for three years and hated it. THe 560 worked much better after I added dual remotes, though it doesnt always have the right gear. And I hate to say the 756 is not above the dust, though that is my ONLY complaint about it. I am kinda leaning toward a 966 Hydro or Hydro 100. No shifting, always the right speed... and hopefully the wife will drive it :)

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Farmsome

07-13-2005 18:49:24




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 Re: Best tractor to round bale in reply to Hugh MacKay, 07-13-2005 17:51:03  
did you ever bale with a 706?? I"ve never seen an 06 series that shifted smooth enough inthe ranges. Used one for three years and hated it. THe 560 worked much better after I added dual remotes, though it doesnt always have the right gear. And I hate to say the 756 is not above the dust, though that is my ONLY complaint about it. I am kinda leaning toward a 966 Hydro or Hydro 100. No shifting, always the right speed... and hopefully the wife will drive it :)

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Hugh MacKay

07-14-2005 02:33:59




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 Re: Best tractor to round bale in reply to Farmsome, 07-13-2005 18:49:24  
Sorry I cant be of much help to you, baling hay is for the most part a dusty job. Probably baled my first hay close to 55 years ago. Had 2 tractors with cabs 30 years ago, but rarely ever used either for baling.

I eluded to expensive hay on another post on this thread. Now if your going hydro, the hay will get real expensive. I looked at these units 30 years ago, decided they were too costly for me to run. IH developed hydro for specialty precission work, and that sure aint baling hay.

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Allan in NE

07-13-2005 17:57:49




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 Re: Best tractor to round bale in reply to Hugh MacKay, 07-13-2005 17:51:03  
Hi Hugh,

Yes, I put a "Year-Around" on my old 966. ONE of the biggest mistakes I ever made. I absolutely hate tractor cabs.

I did like the tight cab on my F3 Gleaner tho. It was nice in the grains and beans to shut out that dirt.

Sure didn't know the 656 would pull a baler; thought it was too small and never even tried it. :>(

Allan



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Hugh MacKay

07-13-2005 19:00:31




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 Re: Best tractor to round bale in reply to Allan in NE, 07-13-2005 17:57:49  
Allan: My baler was an IH 241, and I have rolled up a few bales with the old Farmall 300. Now I wouldn't want to head into high production with the old 300, but it did in a pinch, when other tractors were busy. My 656 had an add on cab, thus it wasn't right tight. Certainly lot better than sitting out in open on cool spring nights during planting season here in Canada. I liked the old open 560 for some jobs and baling was one of them. I didn't bale a lot of hay, just what silos wouldn't hold as haylage. Probably 200 - 300 rolles. I've seen a couple of those new Deeres with cabs, doing round bales. Those cabs are tight but they still had that layer of dust inside.

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Hugh MacKay

07-13-2005 15:58:43




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 Re: Best tractor to round bale in reply to Farmsome, 07-13-2005 07:16:05  
I had a round baler 35 years ago. Had 3 tractors that would run the baler, those being a 560D, 656D and a 1066. 656 and 1066 both had cabs, 560 was open. For my opinion 1066 on the baler was like chasing flies with a 25 lb. hammer. Cant understand why anyone would want to burn that much fuel to bale some hay. 656 and 560 would actually out bale the 1066 as they were more agile. Now in my case 560 was the tractor of choice on the baler. My operator claimed, " you cant keep the dust out of a cab when baling, best to have it so it just blows away." I have to agree, would never want a cab for baling hay, a canopy yes. 656 went on haybine and 1066 went out to do some work that required that kind of hp.

You just cant have round bales costing $100. each, it's only livestock feed. Although I did try to sell a round bale to the banker's wife. I told her they were a hot item for those folks now 3-4 generations off the farm and have never experienced a quicky in the hay mow.

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John Hobby

07-14-2005 03:56:38




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 Re: Best tractor to round bale in reply to Hugh MacKay, 07-13-2005 15:58:43  
Hugh, you must live where it is flat. Up here in New England, we have thing called hills, and rocks by the way. So, hp to you is one thing, to us, it is another. I have to say, my 1066 does just fine, work less than a smaller tractor and my bales are not $100 per bale but I do appreciate your financial concern for me.



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Hugh MacKay

07-14-2005 13:45:08




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 Re: Best tractor to round bale in reply to John Hobby, 07-14-2005 03:56:38  
John: I never meant to suggest your bales were costing a $100. per bale. Just using that as a figure of speech, in suggesting we try and keep the costs low. I went with a silage feeding program in the mid 1960s. I did it mainly because was putting up 35,000 small square bales per year with bale thrower and wagons. I was also competing for labor used to getting 3 times what we could justify on the farm. every year it got harder and harder to find that labor.

Haylage was not cheap feed although it was excellent quality I first went with 560 and a NH S-717 harvester, too slow. Then the big guns, 1066 and NH 890. Yes, I've seen 1066 fill a 24x70 silo in 24 hours, but you had to keep pickup with fuel tank right in the field with it. In essence what I'm saying, had big roll balers come 10 years sooner, there would never have been silos or a 1066 on my farm. It took 656 on haybine round the clock to keep 1066 going. If I did the same round baling, 560 would bale it all up in about 6-8 hours per day. And yes I had a few hills, not many, about 80% of my farm was flat. I couldn't see where round baler and bale bothered 560 on the hills very much. Lets face it baler and bale wouldn't weigh 2.5 ton. I've seen it roll in my driveway pulling 6-7 tons of silage wagon in 4th and that was as steep as any farm field I've been on.

If you want a pull for a 1066, try a dead highway tractor trailer up a 30% grade grossing 78,000 lbs., raining and on grass. Low 4th, high on the TA. I admit it just started raining as we tarped the load of grain. That load of grain had to come up that hill before it got too wet, as grain had to go to a dryer.

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Jimmy King

07-14-2005 03:50:40




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 Re: Best tractor to round bale in reply to Hugh MacKay, 07-13-2005 15:58:43  
Hugh a cab with the back window closed and the rest open and a couple of good fans keeps the dust at bay.



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John Hobby

07-13-2005 12:36:38




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 Re: Best tractor to round bale in reply to Farmsome, 07-13-2005 07:16:05  
I bought a 1066 this winter and run my 503I with it. The tractor is great but if I could of had my way yesterday, I would of burned that baler. I had a match and if I had enough beer in me, I was going to light it. That thing drove me nuts yesterday. The belts walked, had a hard time starting a bale and jammed. But, the 1066 is awsome and the perfect tractor for that, does not even know it is back ther. I would love to speak with you about your 504I and some things you do. Please shoot me an e-mail with your phone and I will call you. Thanks My e-mail is j.m.hobby@att.net

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caseyc

07-13-2005 11:08:59




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 Re: Best tractor to round bale in reply to Farmsome, 07-13-2005 07:16:05  
sounds like you need to find a 886. nice roomy quiet cab, good a/c, about 85 pto hp, perfect for what your wanting to do.

casey in SD



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