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Allan in NE

07-16-2005 20:15:52




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Hmmm.

I've never in my life seen a tractor with an 8" outer tie rod.

Got 'er set in the last derned hole; good thing I wasn't going out to 88". :>)

Was that an option 'er something?

Allan

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VernMN

07-17-2005 13:37:39




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 Re: What The Heck? in reply to Allan in NE, 07-16-2005 20:15:52  
I have my 966 set in the same setting you have on the front end. But my tie rods must be longer as They still are in the tube. I am set for 18 inch furrows.



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Allan in NE

07-17-2005 14:38:39




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 Re: What The Heck? in reply to VernMN, 07-17-2005 13:37:39  
Yes Sir,

That tie rod ought to live up inside that tube another 8 inches or so. Really don't know what the deal is with this one.

It will be interesting to see if the left side is the same. If and when I get it unstuck; don't think it has ever been moved in it's life.

Allan



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GordoSD

07-17-2005 13:08:24




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 Re: What The Heck? in reply to Allan in NE, 07-16-2005 20:15:52  
Allen, I went back out to my 966 and pulled the right side tie rod extension. It is 16.5 inches long. It has SIX of those bolt gooves in it. The last one is 1 3/4 inch from the inner end. I don't think they would put that goove so close to the end if it wasn't OK to use it. Email is open if you want to talk swap. I'm never goin out where you are.

GordoSD



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Allan in NE

07-17-2005 14:35:18




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 Re: What The Heck? in reply to GordoSD, 07-17-2005 13:08:24  
Hi Gordo,

Yes, that sounds about as I remember 'em. 'Bout 16 inches or so.

I've been working all day to free up that left side; the tube is really stuck tight.

Let me get it freed up and outta there to see what length it is also.

I'll hollar at ya at that point.

Allan



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GordoSD

07-18-2005 06:11:40




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 Re: What The Heck? in reply to Allan in NE, 07-17-2005 14:35:18  
Allen, you ought to be able to pull that left tie rod extension, with the axle "in" in about 5 minutes. Less if you use the air wrench. Maybe open your email so we discuss matter private, all the other members are done with this thread I think.

GordoSD



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P Backus

07-17-2005 12:46:50




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 Re: What The Heck? in reply to Allan in NE, 07-16-2005 20:15:52  
Hi Allan, I was just thinking about your bull gear noise. I had a rear end apart once that had some water in the bottom and only the part of the gear that was sitting in the water was rusty. Those teeth were all pitted quite badly. Do you think there was any water in there or have you seen the gears to see if they have a rough spot? Just thinking about it..... .
Paul
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the tractor vet

07-17-2005 07:42:16




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 Re: What The Heck? in reply to Allan in NE, 07-16-2005 20:15:52  
I have never seen one that short , someone must have cut some off at one time as nothing showes up in my books that short. . Now ya got to repaint i hate that when ya get them all spruced up and have to move something and ya got bare spots. I think i would get a new tie rod and replace that one as you have nothing holding in the tube and it will be to easy to snap it off or bend the tube if ya hit a Chuck hole or DEAD furrow.

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RAW in IA

07-17-2005 07:31:10




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 Re: What The Heck? in reply to Allan in NE, 07-16-2005 20:15:52  
Well. you could always bring it in close and run the front wheels on land. Wioerder thiongs have been done!



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GordoSD

07-17-2005 05:39:26




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 Re: What The Heck? in reply to Allan in NE, 07-16-2005 20:15:52  
Allen, After looking at my tractor here, I'm not sure you don't need to remove the control arm
from the spindle and rotate it in about 15 degrees. You may be reducing your total turn with that wide tie rod width.

GordoSD



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GordoSD

07-17-2005 05:04:14




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 Re: What The Heck? in reply to Allan in NE, 07-16-2005 20:15:52  
Allen, I looked at my 966 Operator's manual. Page 63. "Two basic adjustable axle attachments are available.: One provides a tread range of 54 to 78 inches. The other a tread range of 60 to 84 inches". But I don't see how that one is going out 12 inches from minimum. What are you set at on that right side? I'd go back to that second hole. That;s a 64 inch tread width isn;t it? And even that is plenty wide for row cropping 38 inch rows (front that is). Also keep in mind that tie rod is not a suspension weight bearing assembly, only has compression and tension forces. Another note in the manual states that "On tractors equipped with 6.5 to 9.5 section width tires, the front wheels must always be assembled with the concave side in, when the tractor is carrying a heavy front end weight."

GordoSD

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Allan in NE

07-17-2005 05:29:33




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 Re: What The Heck? in reply to GordoSD, 07-17-2005 05:04:14  
Hi Gordo,

I'm just tryin' to set the things so that I can run the 4-18 plow. The right side is now at roughly 76" and it has the 9.5" tires. Pretty sure that the concaves are dished out.

If I drop back to the next hole in and because it "skips" a hole, this means that I'd have to come back in a full 4". That ain't a gonna work 'cause it makes the tractor run too far out at the furrow and the first bottom won't be taking a full cut.

I 'spose the original owner bought the tighter tie rods because he knew he'd never be spreadin' the thing out for a row-crop type plow.

I think I'm gonna have to bite the bullet and get the longer tie rods 'cause I sure don't like the looks of it this way. :>(

Allan

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GordoSD

07-17-2005 12:46:58




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 Re: What The Heck? in reply to Allan in NE, 07-17-2005 05:29:33  
Where is the inner tie rod end? Is it all the way turned out? The outers are the "tie rod extensions" and the inners are the "tie rod ends" for toe adjustment. You do know that you increase the stesses on the wheel spindles and bearings as you go out don't you? The IPB in the ITT manual (37) does show an extension that looks to be about 16-18 inches long. Are you mounted up on the three point? The manual shows how to set up the arms to shift them to the side. I run a mounted plow on that JD3010 with the sway block on the right and none on the lrft to get the plow over to the right.

GordoSD

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Allan in NE

07-17-2005 14:57:09




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 Re: What The Heck? in reply to GordoSD, 07-17-2005 12:46:58  
Hi Gordo,

Back in the day, I've changed these things over from wide to narrow lots of times. Both sides have to be the same 'cause it is a two way plow. Hitch can't be off-set and has to pull from the dead center of the tractor.

I've got three of the four tires set and the plow mounted now. All is well 'cept fer that frozen left side.

Also, I just don't like the "short" outer shaft on the right front. Should stick up into that tube some 8 inches or so. Wondering if the left is gonna be short too when I get it apart.

Allan

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williamf

07-17-2005 04:23:25




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 Re: What The Heck? in reply to Allan in NE, 07-16-2005 20:15:52  
Is it just the tie rod that's short or is the axle that short, too? Does it look like it was cut off or was it made that length? Is it just the right one or is the left like that, too?
On a tie rod note, the right hand one on my Phord TLB popped out of the knuckle after only 34 years. That's too soon to be buying a new one, so I took it to my welder who popped it back in, built up the edges, and ground it smooth with a Dremel-looking device. He said it "might hold awhile." That was four years ago.
Wm

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Allan in NE

07-17-2005 04:28:41




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 Re: What The Heck? in reply to williamf, 07-17-2005 04:23:25  
Hi Bill,

Haven't talked to you in a while!

It looks to be machined that way; I think it is just the wrong part.

Haven't been able to get that other one opened up yet. She is frozen tight from 30 years of non-movement. :>)

Allan



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Sloroll

07-16-2005 23:38:00




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 Re: What The Heck? in reply to Allan in NE, 07-16-2005 20:15:52  
That is kinda strange. Just thinking you might want to wrap duct tape (for lack of a better idea right now) around that gapping hole to keep dirt out. Itis dry there but dirt may hold enough moisture to rot things over time in that tube. Hows it going bud? Hottern Heck here. I wouldn't want to do that job... don't want to do any job actually. Just too hot.



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Allan in NE

07-17-2005 04:24:35




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 Re: What The Heck? in reply to Sloroll, 07-16-2005 23:38:00  
Hi Bill,

It was hottern' haties here yesterday. 103 with a 30 knot south wind.

Wheat boys are going nuts over that storm down in the gulf. It is keepin' the humidity high, the combinin' is going slow and they are afraid it is going to trigger the hail before they get the crop in.

Got the 966 all stretched out except for the left front wheel. I don't think the wheels have ever been changed on it and that big tube is just plain frozen tight.

Been soakin' it with panther juice, but I just might have to chain on to it with a couple of other tractors to move it. I've done that before even tho it made me kinda nervous. :>(

I don't like that short tie rod either. Will probably have to order the correct ones from CaseIH so she doesn't leave me upsidedown in a ditch somewhere.

Allan

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Loren

07-17-2005 12:16:10




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 Re: What The Heck? in reply to Allan in NE, 07-17-2005 04:24:35  
Allan, I'm feeling pretty brain dead this morning so I might be missing something. Think I'm reading your post that the fronts are dished in. Turn them out and the front suspension can go further in, making the tie rods stouter.



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