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Can't Get It Through My Thick Skull

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Triker

07-27-2005 21:39:48




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Okay guys, I can’t get this through my thick skull. I know some of you have responded to my previous postings but I am not catching on. I have put a 3pt hitch on my H and it has dual two way cylinders that already has the hoses connected to it. My questions are as follows:

• Is the back the down pressure valve (close to ground) and the front is the up pressure, closer to the seat?
• Which side do I hook the back hose to, close to the ground? Left front or back port or right port.
• Which side do I hook the front hose to, closer to the seat? Left front or back port or right port.
• I understand I need a special fitting for down pressure, if I do where can I get this and what is it called?
• Where do I put this special fitting? Be nice now.

Thanks for your patience and responses.

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NDS

07-28-2005 14:50:05




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 Re: Can't Get It Through My Thick Skull in reply to Triker, 07-27-2005 21:39:48  
Have SM with Saginaw that we have used for 30 years. Quess it would be nice to have down pressure but can not rember any time I have needed it except on scraper blade.



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P Backus

07-28-2005 09:08:26




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 Re: Can't Get It Through My Thick Skull in reply to Triker, 07-27-2005 21:39:48  
Dave and Hugh said it well. The only thing I can add at this point is to clarify which end of the hydraulic cylinder is which. The breather that Dave is talking about would go in the end of the cylinder that has the chrome plated rod coming out. You would hook the hoses to the "other" end of the cylinders to get the hitch to lift. That is all you"d need to have the hitch work. Sometimes hydraulic cylinders are mounted "upside down" so I"m not sure which end of the cylinder is near the seat, etc.
Paul

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Nat

07-28-2005 08:47:09




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 Re: Can't Get It Through My Thick Skull in reply to Triker, 07-27-2005 21:39:48  
On the standard Liftall, both the front port on the left, and the single port on the right do the exact same thing at the exact same time. They pump oil out when you pull the control lever back, and let it flow back in when you push the lever ahead.

That is one-way hydraulics. Without a two-way valve and additional plumbing, you only have one-way hydraulics.

The simplest way to hook up the 3pt hitch is pressure-up, gravity-down.

Connect one cylinder's bottom line to the front port on the left, and connect the other cylinder's bottom line to the port on the right.

The top of each cylinder will need to be vented. You can buy vent caps at most machinery dealers. Just take the hose you took off the top of the cylinder with you to get the right size.

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Dave in CT

07-28-2005 03:51:10




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 Re: Can't Get It Through My Thick Skull in reply to Triker, 07-27-2005 21:39:48  
The "special fitting for down pressure" is spoken of in the _H and HV Operator's Manual_ (p. 18)as the 'Remote Control Attachment' - commonly referred to as the 'christmas tree' that goes on top of the filler pipe to the lift all pump. Getting that and getting the plumbing to that set up is moderately involved and you'd either want pictures, as Hugh suggested, or schematics showing you what to do.

I sense that you just want to get this thing going and to do that I'd let go of the down pressure goal - you can always add that later. Get a couple of breathers for the upper ports on each cylinder. Hook one hose from the bottom of the clutch-pedal side cylinder to the front port from the lift-all pump on the clutch-pedal side. Hook the hose from the bottom of the brake-pedal side cylinder to the port from the lift-all pump on the brake-pedal side.

When first operating the hitch, I'd keep a couple of oil-drain pans under the cylinders as you may displace some oil out the breathers. If this keeps happening after several operations, you probably have oil leaking past the seals and will want to rig some return-line plumbing to get that oil back to the reservoir. I _think_ this can be done by joining both upper hoses with a T and then running a single hose from the other side of the T to the filler port on the lift-all. To connect that single hose to the filler port, I'd try another T connected vertically so the short arm of the T is connected to the return line. Then put your filler tube cap on top with a closed nipple. You need to preserve the breathing capabilities at the filler tube as this allows for fluctuations in the amount of oil in the reservoir.

I've never done this but have heard about it being done this way so you'll probably want to get some sort of confirmation before proceeding. Anyone who's had direct experience with this type of setup, please feel free to confirm, add or correct anything written here.

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Dave in CT

07-28-2005 04:02:02




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 Re: Can't Get It Through My Thick Skull in reply to Dave in CT, 07-28-2005 03:51:10  
I should have noted, use black pipe Ts. Galvanized comonents should not be used in hydraulic systems as the galvanizing comes off and adds wear to the rest of the system.



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Hugh MacKay

07-28-2005 01:54:53




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 Re: Can't Get It Through My Thick Skull in reply to Triker, 07-27-2005 21:39:48  
Triker: Most Hs did not come from factory with dual action hydraulics. You most likely need an add on double action valve to achive this.

The fact that your tractor already has hoses to both ends of hydraulic lift cylinders does not automatically mean you have dual action hydraulics. That hose going to the ram end of the hydraulic cylinder was often placed there for two very simple reasons. First it gave added hydraulic resovoir, and secondly it reclaimed any oil that bypassed within the cylinder and diverted it back to belly pump resovoir. In the early days of hydraulics this was a very efficient way of avoiding messey hydraulic oil leaks.

As for the plumbing directions you are asking for, my guess is your going to need photos. I've seen litterally hundreds of different hydraulic plumbing on Farmall H and M tractors. Remember a picture is worth a thousand words.

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