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Fredd

07-28-2005 07:27:08




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I have a 966 tractor. The torque works great when the handle is forward. When the tractor is pulling hard and the torque is pulled back nothing, you just stop. If you push the clutch in and then pull it back like changing gears then it will work. If you have ti pulled back and are turning har and using the brake to help the front end around a little then sometimes it will stop. What is wrong any help appreciated. Thanks

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the tractor vet

07-28-2005 15:21:10




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 Re: 966 TA in reply to Fredd, 07-28-2005 07:27:08  
I"ll put it to ya plan and simpal ya need a new T/A assy. and also ya need to rebuild the MCV and add a new MCV pump the sprag is plum out and you have low pump pressure and if ya think a HDY. TA will move with no oil or pressure just drain it and see . And since you have to do a double split ya might as well install a new clutch and pressure plate and pto input shaft at the same time it only cost a couple bucks more to do it all at once .

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Nat

07-28-2005 07:39:08




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 Re: 966 TA in reply to Fredd, 07-28-2005 07:27:08  
Sometimes the problem isn't the TA, it's the MCV, multi-control valve (or something like that). The MCV controls hydraulic pressure to the TA and power steering, as well as the brakes, and maybe even the PTO clutch.

The MCV is on the left side just in front of the step. It's got that little plunger thing that goes up and down when you pull the TA lever.

Allen, does a hydraulic TA have an overrunning sprague clutch? I don't think so, because it doesn't "overrun" like the TA does on a 560 or 686. It holds in TA going downhill. I think it's just a planetary drive with bands and clutches.

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Allan in NE

07-28-2005 08:07:21




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 Re: 966 TA in reply to Nat, 07-28-2005 07:39:08  
Nat,

Of course it has a sprauge, although I guess, it is called a "one-way clutch".

All that the hydraulic function serves is to lock it's over-run on de-acceleration while the T/A is in a reduction mode.

For all practicable pulling purposes however, the T/A on the low side is still just a mechanical unit and all the torque is still thru that one way clutch.

So, loss of hydraulic application (on the low side) would only show up as a loss of "engine braking" and not a loss of actual "pull".

Since this man's low T/A is intermittent, it just sounds to me like that sprauge is not grabbing as it sould all the time. Typical sprague failure.

That's the way my ol' pee brain understands it, anyway.

Allan

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Nat

07-28-2005 09:45:36




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 Re: 966 TA in reply to Allan in NE, 07-28-2005 08:07:21  
A slipping sprague wouldn't explain loss of forward motion when the steering wheel is cranked over, or the brakes are applied. Both those actions bleed off hydraulic pressure. If the TA were mechanical, sprague-driven, the tractor would not stop due to loss of hydraulic pressure.

I'll agree, the TA unit could very well be toast, but the MCV is the first thing to check because it's a whole lot easier and cheaper to fix. It usually needs servicing when the TA goes out anyway...

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Allan in NE

07-28-2005 07:35:10




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 Re: 966 TA in reply to Fredd, 07-28-2005 07:27:08  
Fred,

Sure sounds like the one-way sprague is over-running. 'Bout the only cure for that one is a split.

If I'm wrong, someone will jump in here and slap my hands. :>)

Allan



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RAS

07-28-2005 08:29:11




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 Re: 966 TA in reply to Allan in NE, 07-28-2005 07:35:10  
Allan is right on the money. You can remove all the oil from the transmission and if the one-way-bearing or sprag clutch it will still pull.



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Allan in NE

07-28-2005 08:37:26




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 Re: 966 TA in reply to RAS, 07-28-2005 08:29:11  
Hi RAS,

Yepper, I think a lot of guys get the impression that the torque is thru the clutches like in an automotive application.

It would take quite a clutch pack to handle that load, I'm a thinkin'. :>)

The clutches only control function, not torque.

Allan



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