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Valspar Restoration series paint system

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Paul G. in Mn

08-01-2005 15:34:27




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I was at my local Farm store and was looking at paint for my f-20. I was looking at a new line from Valspar. It is there Restoration series paint system. I was wonding if any of you have used it and how it was to work with? To me it look like a good system with hardened paint.




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David T in Ga.

08-01-2005 18:43:50




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 Re: Valspar Restoration series paint system in reply to Paul G. in Mn, 08-01-2005 15:34:27  
I have been painting automobiles for 22 years and have seen many changes in that time. First isocyanates are drawn to moisture. Lungs are easily protected with the proper canister resperator(NOT a paper dust mask).Eyes are another matter, I use a full face canister resperator as I dont like the air supply line in my way. This is totaly osha acceptable. I prefer catalized (hardener)paints as they last longer,dont spot or peel from fuel or other fluid spills and most important are much eaier to deal with if you need to repair and repaint as they wont "lift" when you paint over them.They will sand better without clogging the paper. I recently had a bad situation with a "Modified Alkyd Enamel" with hardener that my customer provided. It was a 1 coat product, but it was not as "Slick" as I wanted so I did a second coat after it had tacked over. It started trying to crack and lift. The paint rep. said I was not suposed to do that. I would stay away from them. ALWAYS follow all directions. Good luck

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CNKS

08-02-2005 07:11:13




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 Re: Valspar Restoration series paint system in reply to David T in Ga., 08-01-2005 18:43:50  
OSHA does not specify the type respirator you have to use. Don't hold me to this number, but for commercal people I believe the accepted concentration is less than 20% VOC (volatile organic compounds) including iso's. If you paint in a body shop style down draft paint booth, the a charcoal type mask may be adequate. My understanding is that a charcoal mask will filter out iso's, but only when the charcoal is brand new, and with a mask that fits perfectly and does not allow any air to be drawn in around the mask. The charcoal begins to be contaminated as soon as you open it. For that reason you will find NO manufacurer that says their mask will filter isos. If you will read the label for non-iso containing paint it will say something like "a supplied air system OR a charcoal respirator should be used". For paint containing isos it will say "Supplied air" and nothing else. Your full faced respirator will give you eye protection, but unless you have supplied air, or a paint booth that meets OSHA specs, you are NOT protected from isos once the charcoal begins to be contaminated -- and there is no test for that. 20 years or not, unless you have a 1st class immune system, you are going to have problems some day. Iso's got to me after I used them ONCE. Likely because I am sensitized to certain herbicides because I sprayed them for years with no protection. People differ in their reactions, but no one is safe.

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David T in Ga

08-04-2005 06:11:04




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 Re: Valspar Restoration series paint system in reply to CNKS, 08-02-2005 07:11:13  
If you want to be picky about all the specifics on the labels and such. Very few people on here are to be using any of this stuff. The epa says to use only in aproved spray booths WITH exhaust filters.Yes I do have 2 downdrafts. I was trying to advise the best protection for what the average guy could afford. The only thing better than supplied air is dont mess with the stuff.If you cant afford supplied air, maybe you could borrow or rent one. Or it may be worth getting all the prerp work done and hiring the spray work out. Another thing is the HVLP type equipment will use much less material and puts very little in the air.The economy guns can be bought for less than $150.

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CNKS

08-01-2005 17:36:10




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 Re: Valspar Restoration series paint system in reply to Paul G. in Mn, 08-01-2005 15:34:27  
If you use hardener, you need a supplied air system. The isocyanates are in the hardener, regardless of whether you are using alkyd enamel, acrylic modified alkyd enamel, acrylic enamel, or any kind of urethane.



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nositri

08-01-2005 17:26:01




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 Re: Valspar Restoration series paint system in reply to Paul G. in Mn, 08-01-2005 15:34:27  
valspar makes good products, and you don't need a supllied air to paint with them as long as you wear a respirator and paint somewhere with proper ventillation. When you paint you'll want to use a base coat and a clear coat which is made up of part clear coat, hardener. Usually 4 parts clear to 1 part hardener. and also I have a little bit of information for you. I know a chain smoker who often paints without a respirator, and somehow is still alive.

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Peabody

08-01-2005 17:03:08




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 Re: Valspar Restoration series paint system in reply to Paul G. in Mn, 08-01-2005 15:34:27  
Everything I read about the adverse health effects of using hardener without proper (and expensive) supplied air breathing equipment scares the devil out of me. I painted my Super C over two years ago with IH2150, no hardener. Kept under a shed, the paint job and sheen looks almost as good today as the day I painted it. Oh, and the IH2150 I bought from the IH dealer was made by Valspar.



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PAULIH300

08-01-2005 18:00:46




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 Re: Valspar Restoration series paint system in reply to Peabody, 08-01-2005 17:03:08  
What happens with Isocynate poisoning is...it builds up in your system over time,never leaves,and you one day will know painfully that you have taken in too much....when exposed to it again you will get the feeling that you cannot breathe.You will be forced to leave the paint area in a run,and trying to get to fresh air.It also causes nervous system problems,akin to Parkinsons.Not a pretty picture.

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Dave in CT

08-01-2005 18:20:14




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 Re: Valspar Restoration series paint system in reply to PAULIH300, 08-01-2005 18:00:46  
Thank you for that appropriate comment. I'd been hearing alot of 'you can get away without the forced air system' comments. I suspected I needed to know more and you've just provided it.



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CNKS

08-01-2005 18:17:16




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 Re: Valspar Restoration series paint system in reply to PAULIH300, 08-01-2005 18:00:46  
Early symptoms are a dizzy feeling -- I got that when I used a touch-up gun wearing a charcoal mask to spot spray some areas I missed when I used my larger gun with a supplied air system -- thus I have the beginning of the sensitation process. I will NEVER again paint isos without a supplied air system, not even for a couple of minutes. AND the symptoms occurred on my 2nd use without supplied air.

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Dave H (MI)

08-01-2005 18:32:17




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 Re: Valspar Restoration series paint system in reply to CNKS, 08-01-2005 18:17:16  
Yes, there are a lot of irresponsible comments being made with regards to this issue. CNKS, do you know if there is any problem with the rattle can paints and hardeners? What would it say on the label if there was?



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CNKS

08-02-2005 06:54:18




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 Re: Valspar Restoration series paint system in reply to Dave H (MI), 08-01-2005 18:32:17  
I have never heard of a rattle can paint with hardener. Once hardener is added to paint it has a "pot life", can be as much as 12 hours, or as little as 1 hour. Canister (charcoal masks) are adequate for all additives EXCEPT iso's. But, the charcoal begins the contamination process as soon as the manufacturers seal is broken. So the canisters need to be replaced regularly. For a proper fitting mask, you are "probably" ok until you smell fumes. No guarantees.

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