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Mel in OR

08-08-2005 18:04:56




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Wondering if anyone has experience or comments about pulling a tractor (M Farmall size) on a trailer behind a full sized 95' Bronco. It has plenty of power with the 351W but is it stable enough with the short wheelbase?




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Billy McCarver

08-17-2005 19:15:47




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 Re: Trailering question in reply to Mel in OR, 08-08-2005 18:04:56  
You shouldn't have any problem as long as you watch how the load is balanced on the trailer. Trailer brakes would be a big help but the main thing is to keep speed down and don't get in a rush. I have a 16 foot two axle trailer that I move my tractors (ih240u and mf65 dieselmatic) with and haven't had any problems. I generally place the tractor where the rear bumper on the towing vehicle drops about 2-3 inches and chain it in place.

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BCRuss

08-09-2005 16:22:27




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 Re: Trailering question in reply to Mel in OR, 08-08-2005 18:04:56  
i pulled a 1948 MD with a 1988 F250 HD 4x4 xcab long box with the 351W and 3:55 Gears. i also had a weight distributing hitch, electric brakes set up for a horse trailer and new brakes on the truck. I hauled it on a good sized car trailer across British Columbia east to west over the mountains. it took 17 hours for a normal 11 to 12 hour trip. some of those hills i was doing a maximum of 25 MPH. The MD did have a home made loader on it so that added some weight. i think your brakes and wheel base would be inferior to my truck but your motor probably isn't as tired as mine and your gears may be better. you are probably overweight legally too. also the M is too wide for a car trailer where the wheel wells are above the deck. i had to build little ramps to get it up and over the wheel wells and the trailer was barely wide enough. if you are not going far you may be o.k. i hope that helps.

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T_Bone

08-09-2005 09:49:07




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 Re: Trailering question in reply to Mel in OR, 08-08-2005 18:04:56  
Hi Mel,

I personally believe your tailer load will be too much for that size vehicle, not because of the wheel base but from the soft suspension, hitching, and tires. You will be more likely at 960lbs TW (tongue weight) at 12% to make the load pull correct.

Can the tires handle that extra weight at maximum pressure?

Is the TV (tow vehicle) rated for that kind of TW? Add 960lbs to the empty GAW (gross axle weight) then look on your drivers door post for GAWR and I bet you will exceed the GAWR of the Bronco. GAWR is really important on this type of axle as your axle is held on by a press fit on the bearing. Turn to hard with the axle overload you can pull the axle off the bearing. A 3/4ton or larger uses a bearing held on by a nut and locking plate with the axle bolted to the hub.

Is the hitching rated for that TW and trailer GVW? I bet not! I would bet it's a class III rated at 5kGVW and 500lb/TW. From what I've seen of the newer factory hitching, you best not exceed the rating.

For the past 40yrs I've used a rule of thumb for loading trailer weight and it's never been wrong from a VW diesel to my 2-1/2 Dodge. Measure your rear bumper before loading then load the trailer and put the load to where the bumper goes down 2". That should be the correct TW for that vehicle and load weight.

On any new load weight I always work my speed up in 5mph increments until the load proves it's self at that speed. I've noticed that a bad load first reacts at 25mph then again at 45mph, but that's not written in stone.

T_Bone

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Galen

08-09-2005 05:28:06




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 Re: Trailering question in reply to Mel in OR, 08-08-2005 18:04:56  
Just got done hauling an IH 460 behind my wife's 1999 Expedition. Didn't even squat and no problems.



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Stroked550

08-08-2005 20:14:59




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 Re: Trailering question in reply to Mel in OR, 08-08-2005 18:04:56  
In short, no. The Bronce will have plenty of power but the short wheelbase will make for an exciting ride. If your going to try it make sure you have a trailer with good brakes and the brake controller setup correctly. If the trailer starts to sway you can hit the trailer brakes (not the truck brakes) to help pull it straight.

Ben



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CNKS

08-08-2005 19:30:33




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 Re: Trailering question in reply to Mel in OR, 08-08-2005 18:04:56  
An M will weigh at least 5000 lbs, requiring a trailer with a GVW that allows 5000 lbs plus the weight of the trailer, probably at least 2500 lbs, more like 3000. That's 7500-8000 lbs. That much weight requires at least a 4.10 rear axle. You should be able to find the towing capacity of your Bronco, if it meets the 7500-8000 lb specs, which also include all passengers and cargo, in addition to what you are pulling you are legal. That is, you subtract the weight of the passengers and cargo from the listed towing capacity, that tells you how much you can tow. That does not mean it will pull it very well. At best you are probably marginal, likely you are overweight.

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CNKS

08-08-2005 19:36:26




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 Re: Trailering question in reply to CNKS, 08-08-2005 19:30:33  
Randy is correct about the weight distributing hitch. Tongue weight is a minimum 10% of the trailer weight, or 800 lbs is 10% of 8000 lbs. Put 800 lbs on your hitch without the stabilizers, the front end is pointed at the moon. A weight distributing hitch spreads the weight out between the trailer and the tow vehicle, properly set up, the tow vehicle is level.



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randy hall

08-08-2005 19:14:41




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 Re: Trailering question in reply to Mel in OR, 08-08-2005 18:04:56  
my fatherinlaw used to pull a 24 foot camper to florida with his buick. there is more to pulling a trailer than just putting a big truck ahead of the trailer. you can pull your m safely with the right setup of good brakes and stabilizer bars.



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jossette

08-08-2005 18:10:53




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 Re: Trailering question in reply to Mel in OR, 08-08-2005 18:04:56  
d.o.t might have something to say. Probably should be a 1 ton or bigger to carry the load.



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moseed

08-09-2005 07:25:17




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 Re: Trailering question in reply to jossette, 08-08-2005 18:10:53  
If you have a sound trailer, good trailer brakes and you've set them correctly and you've balanced the load you will be fine on short trips that are somewhat local and in normal road conditions. On longer trips with varied road conditions give yourself more time to get there. The limiting factor will be road conditions and lenght of trip. Don't challenge abnormal conditions with the set-up you describe and you will be fine. The stabilizer bars are essential! Good luck and good hauling!

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