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Rear axle bearing replacement on an H

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Dave in CT

08-08-2005 23:51:28




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I'm trying to get down the procedure for replacing the inner and outer rear axle bearings on my H. Folks have spoken of it being a bear so I'm fishing for confirmations, corrections and tips before I get into it.

Here's how I understand the job:

1) Drain, jack and securely support rear end

2) Remove rear wheel and PTO

3) Via PTO opening, wedge a hex nut under the bull gear to support it - aids in realigning axle splines on reassembly

4) Remove carrier bolts

5) Remove cap screw from inside end of axle - can place an aluminum block or big socket in between both axles' cap screws while doing this and it will press the axle out

6) Remove axle and carrier assembly

7) Remove outer bearing retainer

8) Hit inside end of axle to drive the outer bearing out

9) Remove inside bearing retainer

10) With a long bar, hit inside bearing out of carrier

11) If there's been some disintegration of the inner bearing, make damn sure to mop out all the pieces before reassembly

Reverse for reassembly.

Any tips on how to align the axle splines with the splines inside the bull gear?

I'm also looking for good sources for the bearings and seals. TIA

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Aces

11-23-2005 10:01:53




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 Re: Rear axle bearing replacement on an H in reply to Dave in CT, 08-08-2005 23:51:28  
This rear axle bearing replace think is way out of hand. I did it for 15 years and it justis not that hard, if not replacing axle housing gasket, if rplacing gasket just a step or two more.
And this is true for H M through 460 560.
(1) drain oil, remove PTO and wheel tire rim all in one, maybe jack the tractor up first.
(2) remove the axle housing end cap.
(3) remove the cap screw from bull gear end of axle, remove washer off cap screw.
(4) reinstall cap screw, place a spacer between the two cap screws between axles and back out the loose screw this will bush axle out and outer bearing out of housing.
(5) pull the bull gear back and over to the other side.
(6) remove the cap screws from the inside bear retainer and remove the retainer.
(7) use a long bar and tap inner bearing out.
(8) replace the inner bearing and retainners, replace outter bearing on axle install in housing, put bull gear back in place. Using a bar through the pto use a bar to lift the bull gear enough to line up with the axle and start the axle enough to pull it in with the cap screw.
(9) replace axle end cap.
If need to replace housing gasket loosen draw bar remove housing cap screws and now you can remove housing with out hoist. Did this many times and never had a hoist to remove the wheel with fluid in 15.5 tires.

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GordoSD

08-09-2005 21:02:04




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 Re: Rear axle bearing replacement on an H in reply to Dave in CT, 08-08-2005 23:51:28  
Dave, forget about the block between the axles and "pushing the axle out of the housing. You are going to have to have the housing off anyway to replace both bearings. When you have the entire axle assembly off, just hold it up vertical and drop it lightly on a firm surface like a railroad tie. That will knock the bearing out. Turn it over and knock the other one out. DONT beat on the inner axle end where the female threads are. That will cause damage and you will probably have to use a tap to get the bolt started. Guess how I know this? When ready to install, get a good gauge and measure where the bull gear is. Adjust your shim to get that bull gear dead center as you can. Align the splines going in by turning the axle tiny amounts. You can't see it , have to "feel" it Person with arm inside cavity can also turn bull gear a fraction and listen/feel for fit. It's not hard, just finicky, and you will feel great when you feel it all snap into place.

Gordo

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Dave in CT

08-09-2005 21:33:41




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 Re: Rear axle bearing replacement on an H in reply to GordoSD, 08-09-2005 21:02:04  
Thanks Gordo. I don't have any gauge, let alone a good one - I'm not even sure what kind you're talking about. If I can immobilize the bull gear, can I get away without it?

Thanks for the don't-beat-on-it tip. That'll help prevent some mushrooming of the task, though I'm sure I'll find some new ways to have that happen.



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Larry in CO

08-09-2005 16:47:08




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 Re: Rear axle bearing replacement on an H in reply to Dave in CT, 08-08-2005 23:51:28  
Hey Dave,

I had to pull my rear axle housings to replace the gaskets and while I was in there found a bad bearing. It sounds like you have the procedure down pretty pat. I included the link from the archives describing how I went about doing mine. HTH Larry



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Dave in CT

08-09-2005 20:15:56




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 Re: Rear axle bearing replacement on an H in reply to Larry in CO, 08-09-2005 16:47:08  
Hey Larry,

I found that post of yours after I'd made my post of the procedure. I continued fishing around the archives while waiting for responses - I guess I didn't go far enough with my initial searches. I've saved it to my computer as another reference to consult when I finally get up the guts to tackle the job. If I'd found it initially, I probably wouldn't have needed anything else - it was a good, complete, real-world account and I enjoyed reading it. Any ideas on where to buy the bearings? I checked Carter and Gruenwald and the parts, shipped look like about $200 per axle. Yikes! I think I'll upset the purists and see if anyone knows about bearing-house equivalents. Thanks again.

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john d

08-09-2005 07:19:04




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 Re: Rear axle bearing replacement on an H in reply to Dave in CT, 08-08-2005 23:51:28  
Sounds like you have it pretty well figured out. If you have one of those little magnets on the end of a flexible "wand" laying around, run it around in the bottom of the case to help find stray parts of any bearings that have disintegrated.

You'll also need a trouble light that you can put inside the case while you're working in there. I'd suggest a 25 to 40 watt bulb, as the bigger ones get pretty hot. An alternative is an old flashlight that you don't mind abusing.

The axle housing is heavier than you think it will be. Don't have your foot under it!

Put some good music on the radio, take your time, and it helps a bunch to have someone working with you. There's not a lot of room to work when going through that PTO hole, but it sure is faster and easier than pulling the platform off the top of the case.

Depending on your tool selection, you may have some difficulty finding a wrench large enough to fit the bolt on the end of the axle, and yet short enough to turn in the space available. A good 1/2" drive ratchet and socket will usually work. I still have a 10" adjustable wrench that a neighbor and I "modified" for that purpose when doing his H under less-than-ideal conditions.

Block that tractor so it CANNOT move while you're working on it. Just putting it in gear isn't going to do it with one rear wheel removed.
Don't leave any tools inside.

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Dave in CT

08-09-2005 07:36:52




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 Re: Rear axle bearing replacement on an H in reply to john d, 08-09-2005 07:19:04  
Good tips. I've been feeling the lack of a good inspector's light so this may be the job to get me to buy one. Any suggestions on sources for the bearings?



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Aces

08-09-2005 05:07:28




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 Re: Rear axle bearing replacement on an H in reply to Dave in CT, 08-08-2005 23:51:28  
Dave I did nit read all you have listed. But 1 & 2 are right. Remove the wheel and housing end cap and PTO. Now through the PTO hole remove the cap screw from the end or the axel and take the wasker off the screw, put the screw back into the axel all the way get a hard block of wood or a shaft that will fit between the left and right axel screws. Now as you screw the capscrew back out it will bush the axel out of the housing. The end cap holds the outer bearing no retainer. In # 3 for get the nut under the bull gear. You said axel bearing so I don't know what carrier you are talking about. Behind the bull gear there is a retainer for the inside bearing. You will have to pull the bull gear back and move it to the other side to get in behind the gear to get at the retainer. If I where to do this job I would remove the axel housing for inside bearing. When you go back together you will need a bar to lift the bullgear some to get the axel to go into the gear, if you don't remove the housing you will need to move the bull gear back and to the other side as best as you can that's why I say forget anything under the gear cause you need to move it.

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Dave in CT

08-09-2005 05:22:44




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 Re: Rear axle bearing replacement on an H in reply to Aces, 08-09-2005 05:07:28  
Thanks Aces. 'carrier' is the IT Shop Service manual term for 'axle housing' so I think we're describing the same procedure but I welcome the confirmation. I may not have any help on this one so I didn't want any (too many) surprises. If I can't get the bull gear to stay put, I'll use that bar to lift it.



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