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Josh Johnson

08-17-2005 19:07:11




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I understand that the Continental 193 Diesel used in the IHC 350 has been known to loose an engine rod with no knocking noises or other symptoms all of a sudden. Do you have any tips for how this tractor should be run to prevent such an incident? Is there any mechanical modifications that can be made to prevent this?




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El Toro

08-18-2005 04:34:51




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 Re: Continental 193 in reply to Josh Johnson, 08-17-2005 19:07:11  
You may be better off to check those rod clearances before something drastic occurs. About
40 years ago Cummins diesel was having problems with crankshafts breaking in truck tractors. When some of our vehicles were converted to diesel
and they used Cummins they lowered the governor speed from 2650 down to 2250. These vehicles were using electric drive with a generator mated to the engine and they were afraid of breaking
a crankshaft. We never had a failure, but we never had the power either. We had another vehicle with the same engine that used an Allison
transmission and we ran it at full rated rpm's
2650. We never had any crankshaft breakage on it
and I think it's still being used. Hal

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Evan350

08-18-2005 07:44:13




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 Re: Continental 193 in reply to El Toro, 08-18-2005 04:34:51  
Do we have an idea how many of these engines still exist? How many still run? I don't recall the exact numbers, but it is something like 12,000 350's were built, of which 3,000 were diesel. So, considering the 'loss' over the years, do you suppose there are 1000 diesels remaining?

I'm also curious about the 'part pool'. Did Continental create batch of spare parts for the 193 engines before dismantling the tooling for it circa 1960, and we've been drawing down this supply of new-old-stock ever since? Did IH or a 3rd party ever manufacture parts?

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El Toro

08-18-2005 08:27:40




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 Re: Continental 193 in reply to Evan350, 08-18-2005 07:44:13  
The military used thousands of Continental engines
gas and diesels in the US tanks. Send an email to
info@foleyengines.com, they have parts for those engines. They may be able to answer your questions better than I could. I think Teledyne
is still in business. The M60, M48, M47 and M88
Recovery Vehicle all used Continental diesels. The M88A1E2 is at 1500hp so it could tow the M1A1E2. Hal
I don't know the answers to all your questions.
Oliver used the gas engines in some of their tractors too.

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Evan350

08-18-2005 10:50:54




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 Re: Continental 193 in reply to El Toro, 08-18-2005 08:27:40  
I'll contact them to see what they say, but it has been said on this board before that the Continental 193 Diesel was *only* used in the IH 350--no other applications of this engine are known to exist (marine, industrial, or agricultural). That is why this particular diesel is more expensive than most to get parts for.



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El Toro

08-18-2005 11:11:14




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 Re: Continental 193 in reply to Evan350, 08-18-2005 10:50:54  
I think if was my tractor and the engine has a major failure, I would put a Cummins, Detroit or
that German 310 or 358 if it would fit. Parts are more readily available for these engines. Hal



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RN

08-18-2005 23:01:11




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 Re: Continental 193 in reply to El Toro, 08-18-2005 11:11:14  
C193D/IHC engine replacement- Was noted in puller forum that IHC 460 engine had proper engine bolt pattern to attach to transmission. Also needed frame rails from 460. This duplicates somewhat IHC manufactureing upgrade from 300 series to late 400s. Other conversion is to gas engines- H 152, super h 169, 300 175 engines bolt up. IHC ordered C193 with same bolt pattern as these engines - possible manufacturing expediant while the 560/460 engines were being developed. RN

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El Toro

08-19-2005 03:40:34




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 Re: Continental 193 in reply to RN, 08-18-2005 23:01:11  
I would use one of these engines and get rid of the 193. Hal



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josh Johnson

08-19-2005 05:37:03




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 Re: Continental 193 in reply to El Toro, 08-19-2005 03:40:34  
I have restored the tractor and would like to keep it original. The engine starts well ,runs well ,and uses very little oil. I have not overhauled the engine but if there is a way to modify the engine so it will not throw a rod thet is my concern.

Thanks, Ken



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El Toro

08-19-2005 05:50:56




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 Re: Continental 193 in reply to josh Johnson, 08-19-2005 05:37:03  
You need to check those rod bearings for wear and clearances. Those rods may be a little too weak in design or they may fail from metal fatigue.
I wonder if this engine was used on other IH
equipment. They used a lot of their gas engines
on balers and combines. Hal



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