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Nebraska Cowman

09-01-2005 10:29:24




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much as we hate to, let's do our part to conserve. I'm staying close to the house and avoiding all travel until the gas shortage is resolved. I don't believe there were any refinerys damaged but with the high water pumping has been curtailed. If we all watch or use this will clear up shortly. Just don't get your shorts in a wad.




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Hugh MacKay

09-01-2005 20:44:01




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 Re: stay home guys in reply to Nebraska Cowman, 09-01-2005 10:29:24  
Howard: One has to aplaude your aproach, as well as the others who have joined in. I know myself, I've been driving less lately. I rather doubt the guys here at YT are excessive gas users to begin with. We are much too busy on here to be out on the roads. To begin with, I think we are allready a rather frugal lot.

We just have to think of ways to get the rest of folks across this continant to do the same. We can do the same with them as society did with smokers. Look what that campaign did to the tobacco industry. Tell them you don't mind them burning their gasoline, if they can do it without using the publics oxygen.

We have placed far too much of our buying dollars in the hands of multi-national corperations. Society does that almost everywhere they shop. Got to start asking the retailer how far the item was trucked. Tell him you don't buy products that have been trucked more than 200 miles. Think about that one, it would revitalize small towns and rural economy. I know we are not going to build tractors, cars or trucks in every little community. But we sure as heck don't need to truck Ontario tomatoes to British Columbia, nor do we need British Columbia tomatoes in Ontario. That going on right now, same truck hauling tomatoes both ways.

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A Reality Check

09-02-2005 03:36:05




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 Re: stay home guys in reply to Hugh MacKay, 09-01-2005 20:44:01  
Wow, it sounds like you could use a reality check to me Hugh. I'm surprised, your posts are normally quite good.

"Without using the publics oxygen"??? If that is the best rationale you can find to justify not using gasoline, then you might as well save your breath. I must confess I spend precious little time worrying about whether I have exceeded my "fair share" of oxygen use each week--but I comfort myself knowing the government is working hard on finding a way to check up on each of us and distribute it more equitably.

I'm not in the habit of wasting money, be it through the purchase of fuel or otherwise. Most people aren't. Advice to "just stay home" or combine errands might pass for wisdom to some but I'd hazard a guess that most people try to do that the price of gas not with standing.

As to asking the retailer how far items have been shipped....come on Hugh. I'm sure that's just what we'll all start doing.

The fact is that average citizens are harried enough with regard to trying to juggle family, time, work, and other responsibilities. Simply put, I know I have bigger fish to fry then agonizing over a gallon of gas that isn't going to make a dimes difference to the economy or the people of New Orleans. If something has to be done or purchased than I get it done as expediently as possible. For those who don't, I guess they are welcome to sit at home and try and come up with a schedule to use their trips at peak efficiency. They must have more time than they know what to do with. It's a wonder that some of these same people find their way home each night.

With a family and the jillion activities and errands that come with it, time is perhaps one of the most pressing concerns. Not following through on essentially anything that requires the frequent trips we have to take just isn't in the cards. Though I envy those who have the luxury of time who have not had children as well as the wisdom of those who raised theirs in a different time as being quite knowledgeable on what it takes to operate in the current society.

Some people might be able to kid themselves for a week or so that they are doing somebody some good if they sit at home and let bigger issues stack up, I'm afraid I can't. Likewise, I guess it gives some people a warm feeling to not buy gasoline on September 1st. It might even last long enough to still be a memory as they are filling up their tanks on September 2nd. But it's effectiveness is better compared to trying to bail the ocean with a sieve.

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Hugh MacKay

09-02-2005 13:03:05




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 Re: stay home guys in reply to A Reality Check, 09-02-2005 03:36:05  
Well, well, well, Mr. Reality Check, most folks on here have the decency to use their name or a regular handle if they wish to address a topic. Your approach is little more than a cowardly way of babbling on. As I see it the first reality check at hand is help you figure out just who you are, then maybe I will bother to address your post. Believe me, I do know how.



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NDS

09-02-2005 05:45:38




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 Re: stay home guys in reply to A Reality Check, 09-02-2005 03:36:05  
If you think that most of the most people drive only when necessary you need to slow down and look around. For example I attended Red Power Roundup And saw hundreds of heavy tractors that had been hauled there from all over counry. I am not condemming this but do not believe this would count as something necessary.



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Paul in Mich

09-02-2005 08:10:40




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 Re: stay home guys in reply to NDS, 09-02-2005 05:45:38  
NDS, It may not be a necessary trip for those of us who are transporting our antique tractors as a hobby all over the country, but It is a necessary trip to the motel owners, the restaurant owners, the filling station owners whose gas, soft drinks, snacks and other periferials we buy while transporting our tractors. We can conserve ourselves by staying home and driving less, but are we really helping the economy? Not really. Our economy is intertwined and interdependent on eachother, therfore if we all stay at home, just take time to reflect on just how many people it adversly affects. Our antique tractor hobby feeds more than our own egos in ways we never dreamed.

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NDS

09-02-2005 08:40:39




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 Re: stay home guys in reply to Paul in Mich, 09-02-2005 08:10:40  
Maybe so but if that is only way economy of some areas can survive they our in for hards times if fuel prices continue to rise. That was just first example that came to mind another example is large rural county school near me. They have large fleet of good late model buses that serve every road in district but every day there is big city type traffic problem around elementory school from parents driving children to school. The parking lot of high school is filled with hundreds os students cars that feel that they are above riding bus.

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Paul in Mich

09-02-2005 08:49:39




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 Re: stay home guys in reply to NDS, 09-02-2005 08:40:39  
NDS, I"ll agree with you wholeheartedly on the school bus issue. I"ve said from time to time that busses should never have to compete for driveway space with parents in cars driving their precious johnny to school. The school officials should have a place remote form the bus entrance which might sweeten the pot for those who may have to walk further to get into the school building. The kids themselves may rethink their traveling habits back and forth to school if they have to use more shoe leather to do it.

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ken in idaho

09-01-2005 20:06:32




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 Re: stay home guys in reply to Nebraska Cowman, 09-01-2005 10:29:24  
Here in southern Idaho potatoe harvest and sugar beet harvest start in Sept. Both take a lot of fuel to haul the crop in. These fuel prices are going to be tough on farmers here.



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Van in AR

09-01-2005 21:57:17




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 Re: stay home guys in reply to ken in idaho, 09-01-2005 20:06:32  
With beet farmers spending $600 per acre to put the crop in and 2400 - 2800 per acre average harvest they still have a better margin than most of ag.
Van



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ken in idaho

09-02-2005 08:13:12




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 Re: stay home guys in reply to Van in AR, 09-01-2005 21:57:17  
I havn't raised sugar beets since 1996, so I don't know the exact price per ton, its $40-$45 per ton. The factory average last year was 27 tons per acre.



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shaggy

09-01-2005 19:44:44




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 Re: stay home guys in reply to Nebraska Cowman, 09-01-2005 10:29:24  
I am lucky because I can walk to work in about 15 mins or bike it in 7min. I just hauled 2 tractors to a threshermens show in Pontiac IL (about 40 Miles away) and that is about it for me for the year unless something happens.



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Pharmall

09-01-2005 19:15:17




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 Re: stay home guys in reply to Nebraska Cowman, 09-01-2005 10:29:24  
Haven't left the place for three days. Lots to do and the cool weather will be here sooner than we think.

My grandfather grew grapes near Nauvoo, IL. I remember that he would stay on the place for weeks on end, except for Sundays. Church, meetings in town, dry goods, and a quick stop at the local tavern (Red Front Inn?) combined in one trip. Our habits sure changed the last forty years with decades of cheap energy.

They had a big garden, canned for the winter, chickens, a dairy cow and a couple of hamburg cows, hand pump well, catfish pond, deer hunting, and a wood stove. Hardly used a drop of gas. Come to think of it he never even had a tractor - stuck with a pair of draft horses through the 1960's.

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DC-TX

09-01-2005 17:27:44




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 Re: stay home guys in reply to Nebraska Cowman, 09-01-2005 10:29:24  
Good idea Nebraska! I have curtailed my driving to essential things and reduced my speed to around 60 MPH. Noticed my neighbjor is using his four wheeler vs the pickup. I am doing same as possible. This situation shall pass-I think.



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moli

09-01-2005 16:40:14




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 Re: stay home guys in reply to Nebraska Cowman, 09-01-2005 10:29:24  
Got a better idea, lets all go down to washington and crash the congresses picknic party on sunday and get a doggybag to go, head south to get em some food...the president will be there, he might even cut the party short and help load the trucks..Lobster,caviar,peking duck, you know all the stuff that we normal tax payers eat..bout a month ago some forin (not from this country) diplomat or somthin like that got 15 million (or some larger ammount) in just a few hours...steve

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Jay (ND)

09-01-2005 15:00:43




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 Re: stay home guys in reply to Nebraska Cowman, 09-01-2005 10:29:24  
1st common sense post about gas. Curb demand and prices will fall, even the speculator driven market can't deny that.

Here are a few things to consider - 641 rigs were shut down due to Katrina. Of them, 20 received damage. Of the 20, 19 was minor damage (knocked off its moorings, disconnected from pipeline, etc.) 1 received major damage and is sunk. However, it was a crude unit (which is in abundance) that only pumped 1500 BPD. All rigs, even the undamaged ones will take at least a couple of weeks to get back to full pumping. It's not light turning on a light switch, it as to be done slowly.

Facts from the DOE:
We have 194.4 million barrels of gasoline vs. 208.8 a year ago - this puts us in the low end of the normal range.

We have 135.2 million barrels of distillates (heating oil, diesel, kerosene, JetA, etc.) vs 129.1 a year ago, which puts us in the middle of the average range.

We have 321.4 million barrels of crude (excluding strategic reserve) vs 281.7 a year ago - puts us in the high end of the normal range.

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Hummer

09-01-2005 13:59:34




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 Re: stay home guys in reply to Nebraska Cowman, 09-01-2005 10:29:24  
I am still going to drive my Hummer no matter what anyone says or how high gasoline goes. P.S. Anybody have extra money to give me? I am a little short after filling it up.



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old

09-01-2005 12:27:26




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 Re: stay home guys in reply to Nebraska Cowman, 09-01-2005 10:29:24  
Guess Allen may end up learning to ride a horse yet. LOL. I agree stay home as much as you can. Drive only when you need to and if you do drive do it in a small car if you have one. Sure wish I still had a motorcycle.



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RustyFarmall

09-01-2005 11:21:00




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 Re: stay home guys in reply to Nebraska Cowman, 09-01-2005 10:29:24  
I agree 100%, If you have to drive to get to work, then do it, but do your shopping on the way home, don't make a trip back to the store. I was planning on hauling my M to a local show in a couple of weeks, ain't gonna happen now, probably won't even attend.



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scotty

09-01-2005 11:45:05




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 Re: stay home guys in reply to RustyFarmall, 09-01-2005 11:21:00  
Rusty, Think I will take the bicycle to work, only 6 miles away! At least till the snow starts flyin.

scotty



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Illinois Boy

09-01-2005 12:39:31




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 Re: stay home guys in reply to scotty, 09-01-2005 11:45:05  
I remeber a while back that some guy, I think in KY, had engineered a chain saw motor to run his bicycle. It was on the news because he didn't have any plates on the thing and got pulled over - there's an idea!



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RustyFarmall

09-01-2005 12:27:06




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 Re: stay home guys in reply to scotty, 09-01-2005 11:45:05  
Any body that can ride a bike to work should just do it. The problem I have is that when I go to work I need to bring a large assortment of tools with me so a bike just won't work. I can guarantee you that the truck doesn't come out of the shed unless it will be earning money in some fashion.



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Illinois Boy

09-01-2005 11:09:43




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 Re: stay home guys in reply to Nebraska Cowman, 09-01-2005 10:29:24  
Neee-braska,
Fine advice - but my shorts are already in a wad!!
Sorry - Illinois Midwestern redneck. Not reponsible for weirdo's, Mayor Daly or wadded up shorts!!
However - seriously - I agree and will be "put'n in a LOT of overtime at home". Was gonna go to an auction Saturday, but decided not to give the oil companies any more of my money... plus the local fill-em-up is outta gas and WON'T buy any until the price comes down. (I love the guy!!)

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Jonathan brown

09-01-2005 10:43:05




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 Re: stay home guys in reply to Nebraska Cowman, 09-01-2005 10:29:24  
like always the cowman is offers good advise.



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Rustyj14

09-01-2005 15:51:25




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 Re: stay home guys in reply to Jonathan brown, 09-01-2005 10:43:05  
Yeah, i just sold my motorcycle last week! Dumb! Rustyj



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Stickler

09-02-2005 03:37:17




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 Re: stay home guys in reply to Rustyj14, 09-01-2005 15:51:25  
Motorcycle doesn't help much. I have two and can't afford to insure either one. $1400 for one and $2200 for the other for 5 months buys a pile of gas! Lots of people suggest buying a smaller vehicle. That's fine if you don't need a big one, but if so, then the cost of buying and insuring another vehicle gets more expensive than the fuel for the bigger one. My truck seldom gets started unless I actually need to haul something. There is no joyriding, or trips anywhere unless absolutely required. We've had ridiculous fuel prices here for years. The only thing that helps is planning trips so there are no unneccessary ones, and slowing down. Why are there posted speed limits anyway, when everyone insists on ignoring them? I'm amazed that the US gov't haven't gone back to the double nickles thing yet.

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Bobg

09-02-2005 06:00:50




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 Re: stay home guys in reply to Stickler, 09-02-2005 03:37:17  
I wish I could get by driving a little less. As it is right now I drive to and from work (50miles) and go to church on Sunday, which is when we buy groceries. My gas bill for the month is getting close to double what it was a couple years ago. I'm strongly thinking of making biodiesel out of waste vegetable oil to run my Dodge on.

Bobg



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