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Corndude

09-01-2005 16:47:52




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Having trouble fouling plugs on an F-20. Mag was rebuilt. It is getting plenty of fuel and don't have a problem until running no load for a long time, road time. How can I get a hotter spark? or should I use different plugs. I am using what is supposed to be for that tractor. Any suggestions would be great.




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Corndude

09-02-2005 05:13:24




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 Re: weak spak in reply to Corndude, 09-01-2005 16:47:52  
Thanks for the schooling a lot of those things I know but it help for someone to run those thing by you to help the thinking process. I am going to try to lean the carb up when doing the parade thing and richen it up a little when we are pulling it. I have a blue spark but I think, not nessesarly right, it could be a little hotter. Does someone have a different coil for the mag that will do that? I also have a friend that is putting a healea coil in the spark plug hole to alow using newer plugs at a lot cheaper price. Just a thought. Thanks

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John T

09-02-2005 06:33:56




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 Re: weak spak in reply to Corndude, 09-02-2005 05:13:24  
Corndude, you will have to ask an IHC Mag person about a different coil. I know on the JD Wico Mags they sell what they call a "Hot Coil" but no idea on your mag. On my mags I have had their magnets remagnetized which increases spark energy for sure as the stronger the magnetic field and/or the faster they rotate, THE HOTTER THE SPARK. On my JD tractors that use the old style 7/8 plugs, I use the Autolite 3077 side wire deep reach (hotter down in chamber) electrode plugs instead of the cooler Autolite 3076 and that helps.

As far as different plugs, anything which heat insulates the plug somewhat from the head or block causes them to run hotter, as the heat sinking (heat transfer) to the relativley cooler head or block (versus the combustion chamber) is less effective. On plugs that use a washer, I have seen guys add an extra washer to accomplish that. A hotter running plug may be better able to burn off potential fouling deposits such as excess fuel or oil. If those tractors were used as they were designed for i.e. long hard full loads at open throttle with high engine temps, plug fouling wouldnt be as much a problem as our no load parades and idling n puttering around lol.

John T

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Corndude

09-02-2005 08:46:59




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 Re: weak spak in reply to John T, 09-02-2005 06:33:56  
That will be helpful in letting me think thru the process, I have leaned it down for the playing, but when I pull it I give it a half turn out for the extra power. the pulling don't seem to bother just when the no load stuff is going on. Thanks for the help.



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John T

09-01-2005 19:55:37




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 Re: weak spak in reply to Corndude, 09-01-2005 16:47:52  
Dude, I have little to no experience on an F 20 but can still offer some general opinions based on tractors and ignitions in general.

On Magneto Ignitions, use wire core and NOT carbon core suppressor type plug wires.

Its critical on mags to have good clean points gapped correct, the CORRECT size of any condensors, and good caps n rotors etc.

If the plugs are fouling and when removed have a flat black colored sooty appearance, thats indicative of excess unburned fuel from,,,,, running the carb too rich,,,,, ,,,,air inlet restrictions in the air cleaner or piping,,,,, ,,,,chokes not staying full OPEN,,,,, ,,,engine not running hot enough,,,,, ,,,too cold heat range plugs,,,,, ,,oil burner or low compression,,,,, ,weak spark

It can help if you use shutters or t stats or radiator air restrictions TO KEEP THE ENGINE TEMP UP OVER 180.

It can help to use plugs that are rated HOTTER then specified.

It can help to avoid long idle periods and run the engine/carb on the lean side.

OF COURSE, as you speak of, IT HELPS TO HAVE A GOOD HOT BLUE SPARK.

"Thats all I have to say about that" (and about all I know lol)

John T, retired electrical engineer in Indiana

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Mike S 806/H

09-01-2005 19:48:30




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 Re: weak spak in reply to Corndude, 09-01-2005 16:47:52  
try autolite 3076 spark plugs, they should fix the problem.



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