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AdamA

09-01-2005 20:21:41




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Could anyone give me an idea of what the average labor charge is per hour for restoring tractors? I have had a couple people ask if I would do their tractors for them. I was wanting a price to start at.
Thanks, Adam




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RFP

09-02-2005 11:29:42




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 Re: labor charge for restoration in reply to AdamA, 09-01-2005 20:21:41  
I would think 40 per hour wouldn't be out of line. 25 per hour for your labor, leaves 15 per hour for shop and tools. If you think about it most people working in town now are making 25 an hour up, any one with some job skills. You restoring a tractor better have some job skills.



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Ken Crisman

09-02-2005 05:30:27




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 Re: labor charge for restoration in reply to AdamA, 09-01-2005 20:21:41  
Adam , take into consideration what your shop consists of . Neat & clean , compressed air , welding & cutting tools , Quality hand tools , & Last is the quality of your spraying equipment & your touch of painting . Look at the tractor project , guess the time involved . Bid at labor with parts & mat'l extra . $25.00 per hr. labor is a fair price to start out with . Try that & see how it goes . Ken

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havvey

09-02-2005 04:47:30




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 Re: labor charge for restoration in reply to AdamA, 09-01-2005 20:21:41  
adam i don't think the others have correctly answered your question. Labor charge the going rate ie $55 per hour paint what ever a tractor job costs ie $1000. Parts 10-20% mark up: my figures are example and may be different in your area. Of course you need to give an estimate and thats tough.



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Vern-MI

09-02-2005 04:00:39




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 Re: labor charge for restoration in reply to AdamA, 09-01-2005 20:21:41  
So you are going to take a $1000 tractor and do a ground up restoration and gaurantee your work? If that's the case then when done it should have a value of $8-12K right? That would include all parts, farmed out machining and your labor. You do the math.



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RickB

09-03-2005 04:15:41




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 Re: labor charge for restoration in reply to Vern-MI, 09-02-2005 04:00:39  
Another one of a long list of guys who think what is spent determines value.



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Nebraska Cowman

09-02-2005 04:00:29




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 Re: labor charge for restoration in reply to AdamA, 09-01-2005 20:21:41  
The one man shop I use charges $40



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Honest Jon

09-01-2005 22:20:26




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 Re: labor charge for restoration in reply to AdamA, 09-01-2005 20:21:41  
I'd say about a dollar and hour should work out just about right if you are going to take the time to do a top notch job. Of course if you really want the job you'd better come down a little.



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Hugh MacKay

09-02-2005 03:10:06




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 Re: labor charge for restoration in reply to Honest Jon, 09-01-2005 22:20:26  
Jon: If there was ever a labor of love, is got to be restoring tractors. However, your advice to Adam was not great. He should charge the going rate at his shop. He obviously has some overpaid folks as customers, and they want to be relieved of some money.



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Janicholson

09-02-2005 06:47:17




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 Re: labor charge for restoration in reply to Hugh MacKay, 09-02-2005 03:10:06  
I've been a service manager (medium IH truck, Nissan, Honda MC), and a mechanic from 8yrs old. The success of a service provider involves three key ingredients.
1}A detailed analysis of the task, including customer intentions and expectations, the condition(s) of the vehicle, the collateral issues that can be predicted to interfear (getting the hood off of an M requires the removal of the muffler, the muffler is 2yrs old and rusted to the pipe, the pipe is rusted at the manifold and comes loose when removing muffler), and prior repairs made by idiots, like welding on components, or butchering broken bolts.
2) A written agreement that the base estimate is flexible and in the middle of projections (be willing to reduce charges if things go perfectly well. NEVER lowball a estimate to get a job. Be accurate and detailed in your recording of time, even little chunks of time-on-task. (use a cheap spiral notebook for each job that is beyond a plug change) Be willing to admit when your efforts are not productive. You cannot charge for things that you do wrong, or that would be more expensive than a different (customer) accepted solution.
3} Keep an open careful communications link with the customer. Be willing to discuss reality with him/her in a way that clearly informs them about all unexpected eventualities, including stripped threads and hidden dammage found in the process of rebuilding. Discuss all compromises, do not make them for the customer (for instance using a repo part instead of a used original that the customer expected). Compromises made by you are alligators in bed. Charge for your time, it is not your machine!!! Do not fall in love with your patient, or give it a transplant from your son (the running H in the back of the shop).
If all this seems like too much trouble, take my word for it you do not need to start doing this work. It is necessary and prudent. It makes well adjusted and repeat customers, and builds a solid reputation. And actually makes money!!!!!
Charge per hour what the average of three Tractor dealerships charge in your area rounded up to the nearest $1. If you are not worth that amount do not take on jobs. You are neither a charity, nor a shister.
I was long winded here, but your question deserves a serious answer because many readers of this site are customers of professionals, and they should expect this relationship when they seek a repair service. Even if they do not contribute to the discussion, they can be better served by consumer knowledge. They might even take note of what I said here and use it to better the interaction they have going with a provider.
Good luck and strength to do the job with self and customer satisfaction.
Jim Nicholson

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Paul in Mich

09-02-2005 07:10:02




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 Re: labor charge for restoration in reply to Janicholson, 09-02-2005 06:47:17  
Jim, I would add to what you have said that an agreement should be put in writing. With no written contract, there is no recourse by either party. If a deal is worth a handshake, then a better deal is worth a written contract. YOur suggestions are, however well thought out and well articulated, and very legitimate. One thing I might add is that the person doing the work must, if he is not a true professional, but rather someone learning to be, must not impose his learning curve on his client. He may need to compromise or adjust his price to reflect that.

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dhermesc

09-02-2005 09:29:39




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 Re: labor charge for restoration in reply to Paul in Mich, 09-02-2005 07:10:02  
I agree, charge a professional rate for a professional job. If you have a fully stocked professional shop with trained personal I don't see how you time is worth less then $30-$40 an hour.

Flip side, a friend talked to an automotive shop about painting a 59 Cadillac. To be done in their spare time, no rush but he wanted a nice job. The place charged him $40.00 an hour for the car wash boys (kids making $5.00 an hour) to sand, scrape and weld on a car worth $40,000, the shop's "professional" crew did none of the work except shooting the paint. In short the car looked like excrement, and some of the paint blew off when he washed the car on the way home, total bill was $6,800. The shop insisted that they be paid, no guarantee on restoration work.

If you're going to charge a professional rate, do a professional job.

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Gerry M

09-02-2005 11:09:39




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 Re: labor charge for restoration in reply to dhermesc, 09-02-2005 09:29:39  
i charge £8.00 sterling per hour for a ground up restoration. its hard earned money and i think i'm gonna give myself a rise!



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ohioron

09-03-2005 15:59:30




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 Re: labor charge for restoration in reply to Gerry M, 09-02-2005 11:09:39  
what is that in US dollars? If about About $12.00 might be cheaper to send our tractor overseas for restoration.



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