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non-detergent oil ? 1945 farmall h

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lekander883

09-24-2005 18:14:31




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Changing the oil in my 1945 farmall h. Am not sure what the previous owner used. But I am told to use a non deteregent 30 weight. I thought I'd better check with you guys before doing anything..... ....




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farmall300u

09-24-2005 19:48:07




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 Re: non-detergent oil ? 1945 farmall h in reply to lekander883, 09-24-2005 18:14:31  
I have a 1956 International 300u tractor. When I first got it, I used 10W-40 car oil in it and it used 2 quarts daily running a 6 ft bushhog cutter. I switched to 15W-40 diesel oil by Shell and now it never uses a drop and once a year I take the value cover off and inspect. This diesel oil is still flowing to the valves and I have no build up of sludge. I do not know enough about the various additives to know if using diesel oil shortens the bearing life.

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PAULIH300

09-25-2005 09:19:44




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 Re: non-detergent oil ? 1945 farmall h in reply to farmall300u, 09-24-2005 19:48:07  
Diesel oil is far superior to gas only engine oil.It causes no problems.If it can go tens of thousands of miles in a big rig before changing,it will do fine in a 300U.I use 15/40 diesel in my 300U as well.Shell Rotella is probably what you are using.I have heard conflicting statements about its "premium" quality status over the years.Its more expensive than store brands,and Valvoline,and such,however I was told by an oil engineer once that Rotella was under the quality of even Valvoline or Amalie XLO.Some loggers swear by it,and claim to have no problems whatsoever.I would consider it far better than conventional Gas-only oil however.Some fleets only use 15/40,and dispense it in everything....Jeep Cherokees,GMC gas pickups (new and old),S10s,equipment,and have zip for trouble.
Diesel oil has a lower ash content,and that leaves less deposits.Amalie Ultra/Super XLO is a synthetic blend,and that must be used on newer Diesels with EGR valves on them.

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CNKS

09-24-2005 18:27:55




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 Re: non-detergent oil ? 1945 farmall h in reply to lekander883, 09-24-2005 18:14:31  
This has been discussed many times. It is unlikely that your tractor has non-detergent in it, as detergent oil has been around since the 50's. But there are always a few diehards. The oil pan and likely the valve train in most old tractors will be full of crud, detergent or non-detergent, unless the tractor has had outstanding care. At a minimum remove the pan and clean it. The valve train can be cleaned also, but to do that you need to remove the valve cover, head, and the plate on the right side of the engine.

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lekander883

09-24-2005 18:39:13




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 Re: non-detergent oil ? 1945 farmall h in reply to CNKS, 09-24-2005 18:27:55  
I guess what I am trying to ask is if I use detergent oil is it possible it may start to smoke or use oil?



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riverbend

09-24-2005 19:27:37




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 Re: non-detergent oil ? 1945 farmall h in reply to lekander883, 09-24-2005 18:39:13  
Anything is possible, but it sludge and crud are all that's keeping that motor from smoking and burning oil, you need a rebuild.

Non-detergent oil is from the time before oil filters. The sludge would settle in the oil pan, or in a sludge trap i.e. Norton, BSA, Triumph, etc. The H only gets bypass filtration, but detergent oil will still help get the crud to the filter.

Take the valve cover off (you need to adjust the valves anyway) and see what you have got. Looking in the oil pan is a little extra work, but you will know a lot more about the condition of the motor. Sludge will look like a heavy gray deposit everywhere the oil can pool.

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shoe

09-24-2005 18:59:46




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 Re: non-detergent oil ? 1945 farmall h in reply to lekander883, 09-24-2005 18:39:13  
I would sure use a detergent oil in it reguardless
what has been run in it. the detergent will clean up the internal engine and make it last a lot longer.



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andrew Z

09-24-2005 18:22:17




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 Re: non-detergent oil ? 1945 farmall h in reply to lekander883, 09-24-2005 18:14:31  
Thats all I use in all of my tractors. During the warmer months.
Andrew



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CNKS

09-24-2005 18:29:47




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 Re: non-detergent oil ? 1945 farmall h in reply to andrew Z, 09-24-2005 18:22:17  
I'm not calling you a "diehard" as you can do what you want -- you posted as I was writing mine.



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