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Mikes d

09-28-2005 16:47:35




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What is the weight of a 350 farmall. is it about the size of a M, I have a half ton chevy with a small v8 and a 5 speed do you think my truck could haul it a 1000 miles Thanks Nick




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Hugh MacKay

09-29-2005 17:53:46




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 Re: farmall 350 weight in reply to Mikes d, 09-28-2005 16:47:35  
Nick: Well, a lot has been said on this matter since last evening. When it comes to power your quite adequate. If a 475 hp Cat can haul gross 140,000 lbs., surely your little 305 Chevy at about 140 hp can haul 12,000 lbs. gross.

An old friend of mine in the trucking business once said, " Make sure your brakes, steering, tires and suspension are right, everything else will look after itself." How true he was.

I once was about 1,200 miles from home with my 1975 single axle highway tractor and trailer picking up some farm equipment. Drove through a little town, (one set of traffic lights) I had the green light, sitting at red light was DOT safety inspection guy. We exchanged glances eye to eye. I knew right then he was going to pull me over for an inspection. You see my 12 year old truck looked a bit shabby. I had painted some rust spots with brush. As I left town countryside was flat, road very straight. About a mile back I could see his red and blue light flashing. Rathered puzzled me as he never got any closer and there were no other trucks on the road. Finally after 10 miles I saw a nice wide flat shoulder on road so I pulled over. As he came along he was behind two ladies driving a Buick, talking a blue streak and had never noticed him. There was enough oncoming traffic, he was never able to pass them either. By the time he got to me he was not very good natured. He said,"Did you see that !@#$%^&*^&^%$%#$@!@ old woman, wouldn't even pull over for the red and blue flashing lights."

He inspected my truck very thorough on brakes, tires, steering and springs. All he found wrong was couple of marker lights out. He said, " this old truck is much better than it looks, very good mechanically, don't worry about the marker lights until convenient, you have more than regulations call for." I told him had I been in home turf they would make me fix light on roadside. He said, "Around these parts folks find good brakes, tires and suspension, tend to keep trucks out of trouble." Then he really poured out to me why he was so upset, Postal Workers were on strike and the government had he and his co-workers delivering government mail. I said, " maybe the old lady in the Buick was a Postal Worker on picket duty." He agreed if that was case she was quite effective. It was Friday and he told me all the places he had to go before night fall, plus inspect any trucks not looking up to snuff. I bid him good day and went on my way. I'll bet someone caught it from him before days end.

I will add a bit to what I've allready said about your proposed tractor hauling. 3/4 or 1 ton trucks with full floating rear ends as in big trucks will carry the load much better. Coupled with heavy springs, this allows you to put more weight on the truck, will make the load handle much better. Make sure your tires are in good condition, good air presure and have a load rating for your proposed load. Make sure those trailer brakes are working effectively.

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Jeff in Cincinnati

09-29-2005 09:24:09




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 Re: farmall 350 weight in reply to Mikes d, 09-28-2005 16:47:35  
I have a 350 Utility with a loader and wheel weights. Just last week I rented a Bobcat trailer and hauled it 75 miles with my 89 GMC extended cab pickup with a 350 engine. I kept the transmission in drive, did not use the interstate and did not have a problem. The truck did fine even on a few long grades. But I got to admit that that was the heaviest load it has ever hauled.



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sammy the RED

09-29-2005 09:02:54




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 Re: farmall 350 weight in reply to Mikes d, 09-28-2005 16:47:35  
I agree, with what Hugh said. ;o]



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dhermesc

09-29-2005 07:43:06




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 Re: farmall 350 weight in reply to Mikes d, 09-28-2005 16:47:35  
What year is your Chevy? If it's a 97 or older I'd rather drive the tractor 1000 miles then tow it with that pickup. The newer half tons have much heavier springs.

I recently towed my 350 (with loader, wheel weights and loaded tires) behind my 84 F150 with a 302 & C6 transmission. I went 60 miles and will never do it again - with that truck. Way to much weight for the light springs and not enough braking power. Never got over 40 mph the entire time, even with the weight somewhat "biased" to the front of the trailer every imperfection in the road rocked the trailer and made the pickup sway like a ship at sea. 60 miles took a full two hours and gave me plenty of time to regret trying.

Borrow or rent a 3/4 or 1 ton and the trip will be much safer and faster. Hate to see you find yourself in a similar situation a 1000 miles from home and find you can only SAFELY travel to 35 mph, you'll get shot on any major highway travelling at that speed. I only got away with it because I drove on secondary roads used to farm traffic.

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CNKS

09-29-2005 07:59:13




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 Re: farmall 350 weight in reply to dhermesc, 09-29-2005 07:43:06  
You were WAY too heavy. Not familiar with Fords, but a half ton anything is not going to pull a 350 with wheel weights and loader. Every part of your truck, from the engine to the rear axle was overloaded. On the other hand, my 92 half ton GMC had no trouble pulling a Super H as to power and handling, the transmission was the weak point. I try to not to hold up traffic, meaning if I can't run 60-65, I have no business on the road. In Kansas, the wind is the killer, much more so than our "hills". As Hugh said, a properly positioned tractor will not sway. If your springs are too light, you need a load equalizing hitch. You also need trailer brakes. Yes 3/4HD-1 tons will pull more weight. With any truck, you must match the weight to the truck you have, both for power, load capacity, and safety.

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CNKS

09-28-2005 18:05:17




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 Re: farmall 350 weight in reply to Mikes d, 09-28-2005 16:47:35  
Towing capacity of your truck with 5.7 (350) and 3.73 rear axle is about 6500 lbs including the trailer. Guy Fay's book says the tractor (300, not 350, should be the same) weighs 4700 lbs, no weights, no loaded tires. A car trailer with a GVW of 7000 lbs weighs 2000 lbs or more. That plus the tractor means you are pulling 6700 lbs+ and the trailer is about maxed out. A heavier trailer makes you overweight. Your pickup will have all it wants and then some, unless the whole 1000 miles is flat with no wind. Not impossible, just be prepared.

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PAULIH300

09-28-2005 18:17:05




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 Re: farmall 350 weight in reply to CNKS, 09-28-2005 18:05:17  
If its a 305,you will be seriously outgunned by the weight,plus being a manual trans you are going to put a heck of slip on the clutch to get it moving.At least a mid size V8 (350,351,360 or diesel),an automatic,and 3/4 tonnage truck (2500,250) would be much more suited.



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CNKS

09-28-2005 18:25:16




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 Re: farmall 350 weight in reply to PAULIH300, 09-28-2005 18:17:05  
Unless the pickup is one with the 4L60 (700R4) automatic that is in a lot of the older ones, that trans overheats -- the newer ones are better. An external trans cooler is mandatory.



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Hugh MacKay

09-28-2005 19:02:02




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 Re: farmall 350 weight in reply to CNKS, 09-28-2005 18:25:16  
CNKS & Paul: Note he said he has a 5 speed. Now I ask you, why do you think 99% of highway tractors are equiped with standard transmissions?

In the 1970s,I had a 20 series Chevy 350 cu in, 4 speed with 3.42 axle gears. and an 18 ft. trailer. It was inspected and okayed by DOT to haul gross 20,000 lbs. (That includes truck, trailer and load) And yes I have grossed 20,000 lbs. many times and indeed hauled some of those loads through mountain country.

Standard transmissions have a low gear for starting loads. They also have gears in between low and high for use in hill country. And that applies to uphill and downhill.

As I see it, there are two kinds of trucking advice; those who want to haul a load and drive it like a car and those who haul a load and drive it like a truck. If you've never had a standard transmission, don't try to give the latter.

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PAULIH300

09-29-2005 09:45:19




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 Re: farmall 350 weight in reply to Hugh MacKay, 09-28-2005 19:02:02  
Buy a new truck with a plow package and what do manufacturers equip them with? Automatics.Extreme clutch slippage and linkage/hydraulic clutch wear would occur when plowing regularly.Also,an automatic trans torque converter multiplies torque by 2:1 on take off.So,with a 3.50 1st gear X 3.23 rear X 2 (for the torque converter),you have nearly twice the torque as a manual with a granny 1st.That is the kind of kick you need for getting a heavy load rolling.Yes,automatics slip and waste energy (a good one shouldnt slip too badly though),but the advantages they have in moving stuff is amazing.Tractors went hydro,and Payloaders did too.There's got to be a reason why.And yes,I have driven manual transmissions since 1980.I have never burnt a clutch,even a used one.But I dont tow with one either.

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Hugh MacKay

09-29-2005 16:37:40




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 Re: farmall 350 weight in reply to PAULIH300, 09-29-2005 09:45:19  
Paul: Answer my question. Why do most highway tractors and indeed many freight trucks have manual transmissions? Are you telling me your smarter than an entire trucking industry? Sure there are a lot of light delivery trucks with automatics, there so dummies can drive them.

My employer has a Chevy 70 series with diesel 5 speed Allison automatic and 20' freight body. He has only one leg, plain and simple the reason for the automatic. He tells me it has had 3 engines the result of transmission causing high revs. The truck has had the transmission rebuilt 5 times.

In my lifetime I've owned 4 - 20 series Chevy pickups, 2 IH pickups, 1 - 50 series and a Chevy Single axle highway tractor, probably close to 2,000,000 miles in total. All had manual transmissions except 1 - 20 series Chevy. After 3 automatic transmission rebuilds it also became a 4 speed standard. So out of 2,000,000 miles, 150,000 of it was automatic with 3 rebuilds. That leaves 1,850,000 miles of driving manual transmissions with no transmission problems and only 2 new clutches. Believe me those trucks all hauled trailers, tractors, hay, silage, grain, fire wood, etc. Many times I've had 20,000 lbs gross on those pickups with trailers.

I can take you to anyone of a number of light truck repair shops and without question, they will tell you guys pulling 15 to 24 foot trailers with automatic pickups are constantly rebuilding. I realize some guys with standards are as well, but then some folks will never learn to haul a load.

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CNKS

09-28-2005 19:39:46




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 Re: farmall 350 weight in reply to Hugh MacKay, 09-28-2005 19:02:02  
Hugh, I'm not going to get into the manual vs auto discussion. I made my post because I had a 1992 GMC with a 4L60 auto, that was barely adequate for towing. When I bought the pickup, I did not know I was going to collect tractors, and be towing -- if so, I would have likely bought a different pickup, manual or auto, 3/4 or 1 ton I don't know, but certainly with a "better" transmission.



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Hugh MacKay

09-29-2005 00:59:03




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 Re: farmall 350 weight in reply to CNKS, 09-28-2005 19:39:46  
CNKS: The part I like with standard transmission, it gives you much better control up hill and down. Automatics also rob you of a lot of power. I didn't realize just how much until I changed my 6.2 diesel from automatic to 4 speed manual. There was a hill near my home and if you started up that hill with that 6.2 automatic at 50 mph, by the time you reached the top truck was down to 30 mph. When I installed the 4 speed manual, I went out to that hill for a try. Same 6.2 diesel started up the hill at 50 mph and topped the hill at 50 mph, and I was still in high gear.

I had always known manual transmission was more efficient, but I really had no idea the difference was that great. I have since spoken with others that experienced the same. The other item I noticed, my automatic had been overdrive and with 4 speed manual I lost the overdrive. I actually had a slight improvment in fuel economy.

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CNKS

09-29-2005 08:08:56




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 Re: farmall 350 weight in reply to Hugh MacKay, 09-29-2005 00:59:03  
"Modern" automatics have torque converter lockup, meaning on level ground with the right load, they "should" be as efficient as a manual. The problem occurs when they come out of lockup, then you get slippage, resulting in excess heat--with a heavy load they are in and out of lockup a lot. Whether or not that is a problem depends on the weight, wind, and terrain -- it has been a problem with my truck.

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Hugh MacKay

09-30-2005 17:06:01




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 Re: farmall 350 weight in reply to CNKS, 09-29-2005 08:08:56  
CNKS: That is precisely the problem I had with my 6.2 diesel automatic. It was an 4 speed automatic overdrive. I never used overdrive while pulling trailer. My biggest complaint, I felt it did not shift when it should. The extra torque of the diesel, particularly at low rpm only made this situation worse.

The other factor I should mention is much of my hauling was on the field and country roads. Hauled Cabbage and rutabagas off the mountain 4 miles of 20 mph road. With automatic one had to ride brakes all the way. With the 4 speed manual you picked the gear and let it motor along.

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Hugh MacKay

09-28-2005 17:04:55




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 Re: farmall 350 weight in reply to Mikes d, 09-28-2005 16:47:35  
Nick: The weight would be minimum just under 5000 lb. and could be as heavy as 7000 lb. maybe more. The big secret to hauling these tractors is getting tractor positioned so balance is right on trailer. Too much weight fore or aft can make this hard work, play you out in 100 miles. Get balance right and you hardly know tractor is back there. As a percentage the same will hold true for the largest trucks on the road. Hauling big loads is just a common sence affair.

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Dick Davis

09-29-2005 01:40:30




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 Re: farmall 350 weight in reply to Hugh MacKay, 09-28-2005 17:04:55  
Mike I think the general idea is it would be better to buy another 350 nearer home and sell me this one to save the trip. Just trying to help. Dick Davis



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