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P and R Pete

10-10-2005 11:06:18




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I have a '49 Super A. First tractor. This all started when it was running rough, so I changed everything electrical, as it had the original (corroded) wiring. Then I opened the carb, which was a crudded mess with a broken float, and decided to put on a new one. Then I took off my governor, which was full of slop. Had to take off the radiator to get off the governor, so I flushed out the cooling system with a hose. Decided, (while waiting for my governor to get back via Brown), to change my manifold, which was tremendously pitted, and so I could assure myself of no intake leaks. Now that the manifold is off, I see the exhaust ports are maybe 5-10% occluded with this black crud which chips off in chunks. I carefully cleaned/pulled out the worst.
So, do I stop here, and put 'er back together, or pull the head and get it redone? And then what? Will I decide I better get the engine block done? And then while the tractor is split...
Yaaaaa aahhhhh h...

*Sigh*. If I drop the pan, will I be looking at the crankshaft, and is there some best way to assess the health of the bearings?

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Roger WI

10-10-2005 20:21:01




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 Re: Where do you stop?? in reply to P and R Pete, 10-10-2005 11:06:18  
This can lead to serious addiction. I bought a Farmall H to fix up for my son (I have others of my own restored) figuring I would just tune it up, clean it up, and maybe paint it. I discovered that the engine used oil, so decided to overhaul the engine. Then I realized that I didn't want to put a new engine on a tractor chassis without checking it out. So in the end I rebuilt the whole tractor. Now he has a real dependable tractor. Roger

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Slappy

10-10-2005 15:18:42




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 Re: Where do you stop?? in reply to P and R Pete, 10-10-2005 11:06:18  
If rough running was your problem, then you have likely corrected it. I would put it back together and let it earn its keep for a while. In the meantime can see assess the tractor for other problems that you might want to address in a later rebuild. You may have a great tractor that was in need of only a little TLC - no point doing a lot of extensive (and expensive) work until you are certain you need it.

Just my 2-cents.

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parts man

10-10-2005 15:04:18




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 Re: Where do you stop?? in reply to P and R Pete, 10-10-2005 11:06:18  
The black crud is likely carbon deposits from poor fire/ rich mixture. Do a compression test, should not be more than 10% difference between all cylinders. If you drop the oil pan, you can "plasti-guage" the crank to tell you the condition of the crank and bearings. The short answer to "When do I stop" is when you run out of money! :) LOL Seriously, a person can throw a PILE of $$ at these ol girls, and they will keep asking for more, or you can fix what you feel really needs fixing and be happy with those results as well.

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Nebraska Cowman

10-10-2005 11:22:14




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 Re: Where do you stop?? in reply to P and R Pete, 10-10-2005 11:06:18  
Probably. If it were me, I'd stop buying parts. Tear the engine down and see how bad everything is. (Rings and a hurry-up valve grind might fix it) Then pull the cove and look at the transmission gears. Then decide if you want to spend the money to fix it up right or maybe it should be donor tracot to fix up a better one and you will have lots of extra parts left over to sell to finance your project.

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Janicholson

10-10-2005 12:49:50




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 Re: Where do you stop?? in reply to Nebraska Cowman, 10-10-2005 11:22:14  
Cowman is correct if you want to do the hobby thing
If you want to drive it and have that part of the joy, then put it back together and drive it, Other problems will rear their head, but then you will know what is what.
Good luck
JimN



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P and R Pete

10-10-2005 18:35:46




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 Re: Where do you stop?? in reply to Janicholson, 10-10-2005 12:49:50  
You guys are awesome.

You know, I was only half-serious. What I was doing is speaking to the addiction I can see this becoming. Mostly tongue-in-cheek, though I was staring at that head today, saying to myself "Know what? You can do this!"

I love this little tractor. It was born the same year I was. I believe, since it wasn't smoking, that I'm truly correcting everything I need to do to get it running smoothly: new electrics, new carb, (the old one was spilling gas- prob. forever, and prob. why it was too rich), and the old manifold looked like it was ready to crumble. Pretty cheap, so far. I've never checked the timing, but it was running-on, so I'll bet it's off a Nebraska mile.

I've been taking things apart since I was a kid, but I'm not a farmer, and tractors and their engines are new to me, and I'm dying to learn. Every tip I can find that I need I save to file, most recently that which I need to know to do the timing. And I am dying to learn, and why I was picking the brains of the parts-dude and service manager at Hoobers, the old guy at my local parts-supply house, you guys, and anybody else I can corner.

I'm looking forward to putting this back together, and tuning her up, like when I used to be able to get my '71 VW beetle spot-on, the last car I had that was as simple as the engine on my Super A. But this time, I have no manual of "Step By Step Procedures For The Compleat Idiot".

But someday, for no better reason than "just because it's there", I want to do the engine 'take-apart', just so I can say "Hey, I did it".

I should have known you guys would respond as though I had immediate need. And as always, the advice is practical, pragmatic, and supportive. And immediate. My sincere thanks.

I love this forum.

Now, I'm off to look up "plasti-gauge" in the archives.

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parts man

10-11-2005 16:34:52




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 Re: Where do you stop?? in reply to P and R Pete, 10-10-2005 18:35:46  
Pete, we all enjoy "talking" to someone who's eyes don't glaze over when we start talking about tractors, so you are helping all of us too. LOL If you would like a manual, check Binder books, they have a website, and Cowman has been known to have a book or 2 about. ;)



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Janicholson

10-10-2005 19:49:48




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 Re: Where do you stop?? in reply to P and R Pete, 10-10-2005 18:35:46  
Timing can have a very minor impact on running on.
When the ignition is shut off the spark plugs stop sparking, thus timing is not happening.

However---if the timing is set retarded so much, or advanced so much that the tractor heats badley from being way off, then the heating will over heat the spark plugs, valve edges, and combustion chamber edges to the point that they become incandescent (glow red). This destructive condition can lead to Running on because the glowing parts set the mixture on fire as the piston comes up. making as if to go on forever.

Most farmalls will run on to one degree or another if shut off from a hard full effort workout with out a few minutes cooldown. (the fuel solenoid on newer tractors stopped this by stopping fuel.

I'd bet yours is carboned up in the combustion chambers from running rich. This has two issues. One, the compression is much higher than normal from the deposits, creating extra heat. And two, the carbon is a great source of glowing igniter. The solutions are two. Run it and clean it by operating correctly (listen for pinging and you might need to run medium octane fuel till it clears the carbon). Or, remove the carbon (many theories on adding various fluids while it is running --I do not subscribe to them--) and or remove the head and wire brush the devil out of it. with a 1" wire cup in a drill. (wear a respirator to do this because the material will be lead contamination and that is not good for you.
Great letting you in on what I know. JimN

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