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Where to Draw The Line???

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Farmallkid From

11-22-2005 13:55:14




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Was lookin at some pictures of tractors today, and some were newer, someone commented, where should yesterdays tractors stop and today's tractors start? For Ih would it be the [in a few years] 86 or 88 series, classified as antique's. And for the deere's, would it be the 4000 series? So what year would you draw the line at?




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JakeF

11-23-2005 19:23:28




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 Re: Where to Draw The Line??? in reply to Farmallkid From Ont,, 11-22-2005 13:55:14  
It's not very scientific and varies from person to person but I think of anything being built 10 or more years before my birth as being antique. That mean anything built before 1962. It's all relitive to how old you are. Jake



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dave from MN

11-23-2005 06:37:22




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 Re: Where to Draw The Line??? in reply to Farmallkid From Ont,, 11-22-2005 13:55:14  
Antique= something ya cant gets parts for anymore. Collector= anything older than yesterday that turns yer crank and makes ya feel good having it in the shed and tinkering or driving.



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Michael Soldan

11-22-2005 18:27:48




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 Re: Where to Draw The Line??? in reply to Farmallkid From Ont,, 11-22-2005 13:55:14  
Mitch, where the heck did you dream this up?..now we got a debate! The Historic Auto Society of Canada defines antique autos as 25 years old or older. Some of the guys here have made good points about tractors and their eras, not necessarily age. The question does provoke thought. I am going to leave it like this..." Tractors are like Wimins, once you close the shed door and turn out the lights they are all the same age! " ..... Mike in Exeter Ontario

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Turk

11-22-2005 15:37:35




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 Re: Where to Draw The Line??? in reply to Farmallkid From Ont,, 11-22-2005 13:55:14  
It's possibly more relative to one's own age than the age of the tractor. It used to seem like if you showed up at an antique show with an F20 you were a lightwieght, but they seemed pretty old to me. Now you might see a 560 in the line-up beside a Mogul. An M does not seem like an antique to me because everyone still had one when I was growing up, but is definitly old enough. It's all part of the time, space, and trash continuem, more tractors are becoming "antique" every minute, but the early tractors will always be the early tractors, the real antiques. And I realize that you usually can't drive around for a little while and buy a couple Titans anymore, but the old timers who spent hard earned money on junk to drag home to set in the trees or in an old shed were the true visionaries in this game. As for a general personal opinion, old tractors have steel wheels.

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RustyFarmall

11-22-2005 15:48:57




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 Re: Where to Draw The Line??? in reply to Turk, 11-22-2005 15:37:35  
Turk, not arguing with you, but I don't think we can define "old" as having steel wheels. Take for instance the Farmall H or M, in 1939, and even later, steel wheels were standard but rubber tires were optional, and I am pretty sure that steel wheels were still an option even on the super MTA. Like I said, not arguing, but where do you draw the line?



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Turk

11-22-2005 16:18:01




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 Re: Where to Draw The Line??? in reply to RustyFarmall, 11-22-2005 15:48:57  
Yeah, that's why I said "general" opinion. I know you could get a 450 on steel, and it seems like the owners manual for an 806 might even mention steel as an option, but that's not really what I was getting at. As for a specific year, I will say '41. Now does that mean a '46 M is not an antique, I don't know. Just a general age of one era passing into the next. And it again depends upon your own collection of stuff, whether you like this particular tractor because it is forty years old, or because it is the oldest that you can get. I have tractors that were old when I started using them thirty plus years ago, but they don't seem that old to me. A fellow in high school now might think a 560 is a really old tractor, and it is, relative to him, but not to some other guy that remembers buying his first new F30 back in '34.

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RustyFarmall

11-22-2005 16:43:19




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 Re: Where to Draw The Line??? in reply to Turk, 11-22-2005 16:18:01  
Yep, kinda hard really to draw a line. I consider an F-20 to be old, but those were last made in 1939, the same year the H was introduced, so I guess that makes an H old also, but the last H was made in 1953, and the super H in 1954, and those are much newer than an F-20, so an H isn"t old. Or is it? Now I"m confused, and my head hurts. Maybe I"m the one that"s old, because I grew up driving an H. There it is, I figured it out. Tractors don"t get old, we do.

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NDS

11-22-2005 14:57:51




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 Re: Where to Draw The Line??? in reply to Farmallkid From Ont,, 11-22-2005 13:55:14  
Do not know about tractors. I think Antique Automobile Club of America defines antique as any car 25 years old or older. See some cars and a lot of pickups that old in daily service though.



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Yugrotcart

11-22-2005 14:38:52




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 Re: Where to Draw The Line??? in reply to Farmallkid From Ont,, 11-22-2005 13:55:14  
True antique, pre 1960..... ...



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Kevin in OK

11-22-2005 14:38:48




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 Re: Where to Draw The Line??? in reply to Farmallkid From Ont,, 11-22-2005 13:55:14  
According to the little paragraph at the top of the yt homepage, its up until 1975.

Kevin



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caseyc

11-22-2005 14:02:24




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 Re: Where to Draw The Line??? in reply to Farmallkid From Ont,, 11-22-2005 13:55:14  
need to define 4000 series. the IH 88's go to 1984. not sure where the "4000's" started but you got the 10's, 20's, 30's, 40's, 50's, 55's, and 60's which are mid to late 90's.....

casey in SD



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Farmallkid From Ont,

11-22-2005 19:21:46




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 Re: Where to Draw The Line??? in reply to caseyc, 11-22-2005 14:02:24  
Your right!, by the 4000 series i mean 4440, and 4455.



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binderpower856

11-22-2005 13:59:36




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 Re: Where to Draw The Line??? in reply to Farmallkid From Ont,, 11-22-2005 13:55:14  
The last 88 series built is 20 years old, so I'd consider just about any IH to be antique by todays standards. Go buy yourself an "E.T." lunchbox at a flea market and they'd call it an antique too!

bp856



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Dick Hamilton

11-22-2005 14:21:45




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 Re: Where to Draw The Line??? in reply to binderpower856, 11-22-2005 13:59:36  
I thought 50 years old for tractors is considered an antique and up to 25 years would be a classic. I really suppose that it doesn't make a lot of difference because when a tractor is no longer used for it's meant purpose, eg. regular farm work, and it is being restored to just out of the factory look, it could fall into the classic catagory. Personally I would not want to get into a fight over it, especially at my age. By the way what do the car collectors use to determine what catagory they fall in? Dick in the getting colder and colder Finger Lake Region of NYS.

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caseyc

11-22-2005 14:24:53




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 Re: Where to Draw The Line??? in reply to Dick Hamilton, 11-22-2005 14:21:45  
that's a tuff call, i still use a 1950 WD allis everyday for chores/small stuff and all summer long raking hay and pulling wagons.....guess i'm just poor 8>)

casey



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Karl Hamson

11-22-2005 15:12:52




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 Re: Where to Draw The Line??? in reply to caseyc, 11-22-2005 14:24:53  
Well in my mind it is an antique if has a proper radiator cap so you do not have to open a hood or whatever to check the coolant. Not very scientific, I realize.



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Steve.43

11-22-2005 16:36:52




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 Re: Where to Draw The Line??? in reply to Karl Hamson, 11-22-2005 15:12:52  
Dick: I'm a longtime car restorer/collector and I know the status of "antique car" varies from state to state. In Indiana, any car 25 years or older can qualify for an antique (historic vehicle) license plate. Typically, "classic" cars are defined by the CCCA (Classic Car Club of America) and are, basically, large and expensive cars built between 1925 and 1948; e.g., the large or "senior" models of Packard, Stutz, Duesenberg, Lincoln, Cadillac, and so forth. So in this state, if a car is a classic, it must be an antique, but not vice versa.

I collect tractors, too, but I've never known how to classify them.

Steve in Indiana

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