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Randy-IA

11-27-2005 18:12:56




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Hi , I got the M to the shop to fix the axles which was extremely easy . But when I was finished I figured I'd see if the belly pump worked . I plugged the right outlet with a pipe cap on the end of a nipple , the two on left side had quick connect's on them . I checked the level and nothing was in it so I added a little over a quart and pulled the lever . In about 3 second's I had a little over a quart on the floor . I didn't have time to look up under it after I cleaned up the mess and I really didn't want a face full of watery oil . Where could this have come from ? I'm guessing a broken housing from water freezing in it . The major part of the oil came from the right side . But on the bright side , it worked ! It's a simple 4 bolt removal isn't it ? Slide it or tip it forward to disengage the drive dog's and drop it down ? Thanks ! ....Randy

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Dave in CT

11-28-2005 05:34:33




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 Re: M belly pump in reply to Randy-IA, 11-27-2005 18:12:56  
I've had both types of leaks - those that require rebuilding and those that don't. Get that plate off the bottom and clean everywhere on the pump/reservior. Find out where the leak is coming from before you decide to drop it. As posted below, it could be one of those pipe connections needing tightening/sealing.



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Randy-IA

11-28-2005 17:27:19




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 Re: M belly pump in reply to Dave in CT, 11-28-2005 05:34:33  
Hi , I need to pull it out anyway someday as it's got water in it . It's outside freezing right now so hopefully the oil I pumped out of it the other day took most of the water with it . I don't think it was the pipe fitting ( I hope ) because I tightened it with a pipe wrench . I didn't put pipe dope on it though . I really don't know . I don't think there is a plate on the bottom of it . I can see up in front of the pump where the coupling is . If I remove the pump to rebuild it can the tractor be used without it ? Thanks ....Randy

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Dave in CT

11-28-2005 18:09:53




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 Re: M belly pump in reply to Randy-IA, 11-28-2005 17:27:19  
The plate I was referring to was the dust cover plate that appears to be already gone - that's why you can see up to where the coupling is. Those plates are frequently missing (as is mine) so don't worry about it.

If you have a pressure washer, blast the pump and reservoir - otherwise just some solvent or gas and putty knife, wire/plastic brushes and lots of rags. Even if it's cold, it should only take five or ten minutes. If you can find the leak before dropping the pump, it may be well worth your time. I know when it's a caked mess it seems impossible to find a leak with all gook that's already there but you'd be surprised. Get it cleaned up and the source of that leak may well be obvious.

You want to be careful tightening those pipes - you don't want to crack the fittings on the pump they screw into.

I'd fill the reservior at least until you can see the oil on the dipstick and run the tractor to warm it up - with the clutch out in neutral it's running the pump whether you have the lever engaged or not. Warm it up and drain it a couple of times and you should flush all the water out. I'm going on about this as, again, if you can find the leak and fix it before dropping the pump, you will have saved yourself a world of time.

To answer your question, yes, you can run the tractor without the pump.

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williamf

11-28-2005 03:25:16




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 Re: M belly pump in reply to Randy-IA, 11-27-2005 18:12:56  
It could be as simple as the pipe on the right isn't screwed in tight. If you do have to drop the pump, you should be able to separate the drive dog by taking two cotter pins out of the coupling and sliding it apart. Then drain the pump, remove the three pipes and fill cap, and use one of the methods you can find recommended by doing a search from the bar at the top of the page. Just type in "remove Liftall."
Good luck, Wm

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Randy-IA

11-28-2005 17:33:40




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 Re: M belly pump in reply to williamf, 11-28-2005 03:25:16  
Hi , How much room is there between the top of pump and the bottom of the tractor when the pump is on the ground ? In other word's , can a floor jack be used to remove it ? Thanks...Randy



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john d

11-27-2005 18:26:11




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 Re: M belly pump in reply to Randy-IA, 11-27-2005 18:12:56  
Could be a variety of places for the system to leak under pressure. I'd remove that access plate (sheet metal cover) behind the pump casting and look up there with a light.
On the chance that you decide to remove that pump, the archives are full of suggestions on how to do it. It's not rocket science, but it's probably heavier than you think it will be! Unless you're young, strong, foolish, or some combination of those three, get some help when you take it out. Keep your head, hands, feet, and anything else you want to keep, out of the way when that pump starts toward the floor!

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Randy-IA

11-28-2005 17:41:30




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 Re: M belly pump in reply to john d, 11-27-2005 18:26:11  
Hi , Two out of three ain't bad ! You guess . I'll be taking it out by myself because of those two thing's :) If it'll fit on a floor jack and still come out I'll git er done . But it might not be till the Christmas shutdown . I'll do some more searching . Thanks ...Randy



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