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706 vs. M --Venture

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Leee

12-03-2005 04:31:38




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My brother and I are useing tractors for working a small farm and for hobby antigue tractor pulling. I raise steers, ponies for my kids, goats, chickens, and turkeys. We do hay, fieldcorn and a sizeable garden. Until now everything has been done with a super C, H, W-6, and some M's. A friend of ours is trying to sell my brother a 706 with transport disc and 4-bottom fast hitch plow, and 3- point scraper blade. Here is my concern: up until now everything is very simple. Other then a complicated internal engine problem my tractors have never stopped me from finishing any field work or other project. I will admit somtimes it is with the help of this board. But, I looked at this 706 tractor and I am in awe. For (us) it is huge and COMPLICATED--simple by 2005 standards but it is not a 1940 to 54 vintage. It is way more tractor then I need for our farm, but its the tractor I used to sit on at the local IH dealership. The most intriqueing features of the tractor is that it was rebuilt from front to back; pistons, clutch, T/A, brakes and some differential work by the retired mechanic from our local dealership (that everyone in the area idelizes). This work as everyone knows is very expensive. The guy we know that is selling it is a master negotiater.. no match for us he wants top buck. Should we leave it a dream and stay in our comfort zone our go for it.

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K.B.-826

12-03-2005 18:37:41




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 Re: 706 vs. M --Venture in reply to Leee, 12-03-2005 04:31:38  
Probably best to stay away from that one. I know this sounds crazy, but a tractor like that will actually deteriorate if not used every day and worked hard once in a while. The batteries will not stay charged, the engine will carbon up from being idled around, ect. Then there's the maintenence cost. Figure at least 2 engine oil changes a year no matter how few hours you put on it. 706 Gas REQUIRES CASE-IH LOW ASH OIL or else you will burn valves. That oil is about $2.50 a quart and you need 9 quarts a change. Diesel oil isn't much cheaper. That tractor will require a 16-gallon hy-tran change every year. Coolant change every two years. And no matter what's been done to it recently, it will break down eventually. If you don't feel comfortable working on it, you'll be paying somone $40-60 an hour labor plus parts to do the repairs. Doesn't take much of a breakdown to rack up a $1000 repair bill anymore.

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Hugh MacKay

12-03-2005 17:39:27




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 Re: 706 vs. M --Venture in reply to Leee, 12-03-2005 04:31:38  
Lee: Don't even consider the 706 unless it's diesel. I farmed most of my life, had 16 Farmalls, most of them bought new or close to new. My smallest Super A, largest 1066. I had at least one tractor from each series from letter series through to 66 series. My experience tells me, post 1958 Farmall gassers were not great.

One other little piece of advice, my profit margins were greatest when underpowered for the work to be done. Over powered farming does not make profits. Folks can tell you how great a certain tractor is, however they all require parts eventually. Stepping up to the parts counter for parts for those large chassis 06, 56, 66 and 86 series tractors, can be a humbling experience. They can severely lighten your wallet or bank account.

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CNKS

12-03-2005 14:10:04




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 Re: 706 vs. M --Venture in reply to Leee, 12-03-2005 04:31:38  
If it has been rebuilt, and you are going to use it and not work on it, it will be ok -- as long as the seller is not feeding you a line of BS. I "restore" tractors as a hobby, meaning I remove everything that will come off, and fix what is broken, or what I am not sure of. I currently have a 460 Hi Utility disassembled, smaller but probably not too much less complicated than a 706. As to the complexity and sheer number of parts, there is no comparison to an H/Super H, 3 or 4 times the number of removable parts. As stated below letter series are simple.

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Jimmy King

12-03-2005 12:30:08




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 Re: 706 vs. M --Venture in reply to Leee, 12-03-2005 04:31:38  
First if it is a gas it will proably use twice as much fuel as the M, but do twice the work load. Second if ir is a Diesel will use about the same amount of fuel as the M, with twice the work load. As being complicated, not much worse than the M. Just get a service manual.



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Jimmy King

12-03-2005 12:37:29




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 Re: 706 vs. M --Venture in reply to Jimmy King, 12-03-2005 12:30:08  
I should add it will cause problems between you and your brother, while you are fighting over who drives it with hydrostate power steering and hydrolic brakes, also will ride much easier because of the added weight and better seat.



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ejr-IA.

12-03-2005 11:02:25




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 Re: 706 vs. M --Venture in reply to Leee, 12-03-2005 04:31:38  
If it is a diesel they were very easy on fuel use.



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Cliff Neubauer

12-03-2005 06:52:42




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 Re: 706 vs. M --Venture in reply to Leee, 12-03-2005 04:31:38  
I wouldn't be scared of a 706, we've had one on this farm since '65 and with close to 12,000 hours it's still one of our main tractors. It's been very reliable and having fast hitch or 3pt hitch will allow you to do alot of things as will the better hydrualics and dual pto.



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Steven@AZ

12-03-2005 06:38:27




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 Re: 706 vs. M --Venture in reply to Leee, 12-03-2005 04:31:38  
I would stay in the comfort zone. While I enjoy operating our larger tractors (JD 8630, IH 1086, 1256, 544, and a Case 2590) I am only comfortable working on the 544 (no TA). Working on the tractor is sometimes my greatest enjoyment, which is why I love my H and A. If something goes wrong with a letter series, it can often be diagnosed easily and also repaired easily with little expense.

Also consider the fuel cost in a 706, will probably use double what the M does (or more) to do the same jobs.

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Rnicholas

12-03-2005 06:16:04




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 Re: 706 vs. M --Venture in reply to Leee, 12-03-2005 04:31:38  
Speaking from experience, here is what will happen. Unless you need the extra pulling muscle or want to use that blade on occasion, when given the choice of which tractor to use you'll go for the smaller one. Then you'll wonder if the expense was worth the buy. My brother and I have a 706 as well with the smaller tractors and the extra HP comes in handy at times but it's not worth the upkeep expense either (a flat on the 706 rear tire last week is just one example).

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Troybilt

12-03-2005 05:14:20




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 Re: 706 vs. M --Venture in reply to Leee, 12-03-2005 04:31:38  
Stay away from it! Stay in your Comfort Zone.
You will not be sorry!!!



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El Toro

12-03-2005 17:22:09




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 Re: 706 vs. M --Venture in reply to Troybilt, 12-03-2005 05:14:20  
I've had about 30 of those Troy-Bilt tillers. Hal



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504

12-03-2005 06:42:10




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 Re: 706 vs. M --Venture in reply to Troybilt, 12-03-2005 05:14:20  
Bigger is better right? Right now I have A D-17,Super C,Farmall 504 and a 504-U sitting in the snow and I cash rented the farm out! Just think how much fuel that inline 6 will burn an hour.



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