Welcome! Please use the navigational links to explore our website.
PartsASAP LogoCompany Logo Auction Link (800) 853-2651

Shop Now

   Allis Chalmers Case Farmall IH Ford 8N,9N,2N Ford
   Ferguson John Deere Massey Ferguson Minn. Moline Oliver

Farmall & IHC Tractors Discussion Forum
:

Farmhand F-10(?) loader hydraulic problem

Welcome Guest, Log in or Register
Author 
SoDak man

12-03-2005 20:04:44




Report to Moderator

I was told to find Allan in Ne for this Farmhand problem. F-10 loader bucket drops on it's own, slowly. Had bucket cylinder refurbished(O-rings, seals, etc.) Bucket still dropped. Took control cylinder in. Same things(O-rings, seals replaced, spool polished), they couldn't test or replace anything else due to obsolete parts. Have replaced certain hoses and swapped load and bucket connections to test but no result.
I'm not sure what kind of valve I have. I've seen two valve names mentioned here, Gresen or Gensen. There are numbers on the control area. I can get them if need be. This loader is probably 40yrs old with all original parts except the pump on the PTO. Let me describe what it looks like. It's basically a single valve, single control mechanism.(It does have a small second lever to dump bucket---more on that later)
Main lever- Can be turned forward and back
Lever forward-Loader up
Lever back-bucket up
Lever(valve) pulled out-loader down
Lever(valve) pushed in-bucket dumped
--Regarding the second lever(dumps bucket). Don't know why it's there. Big lever runs everything anyway. Gonna try eliminating small lever.
Hydraulic repair shop told me today that they couldn't test this lever/valve piece. Parts would be obsolete if they tried to rebuild.
I guess at this point I'd just like to know it's un-repairable before I plunk down money on a new two valver. More thoughts, questions welcomed.

[Log in to Reply]   [No Email]
SoDak man

12-05-2005 14:37:18




Report to Moderator
 Re: Farmhand F-10(?) loader hydraulic problem in reply to SoDak man, 12-03-2005 20:04:44  
Hi Allan. My loader is just like the pic. The tilt cables are the ones dropping down. The cylinder inside the upper arm was rebuilt. When you use the word "leaking", do you mean air or fluid. I haven't seen any fluid or heard any air. Do you need some kind of pic of the controls? I no longer have the control on for the grapple fork/haystacker. It was removed yrs ago. I made a 3D picture of the control with paintshop pro but don't know how to insert it here. Would the pic help? Like I said earlier, I need some methods or guidance on how to find out which is bad, the control or the bucket cylinder. Let me know what you need next. We may have to get on the phone and hammer this thing out. Thanks

[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
Allan in NE

12-07-2005 04:03:36




Report to Moderator
 Re: Farmhand F-10(?) loader hydraulic problem in reply to SoDak man, 12-05-2005 14:37:18  
Hey Guy,

Ya know what I'd do?

I'd hook about a thousand pounds on a chain coming across the front end of that bucket. Lift 'er up, shut the tractor off and listen at the rotary valve for leakage thru the valve. You should hear none; you should hear no oil dumping back to the tank.

Do the chain thing and let me know.

It is possible that the whole hydraulic system is plumbed wrong too. In that case, we'll start on the pictures. Does that little handle really let the tilt down?

Allan

[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
SoDak man

12-07-2005 16:55:10




Report to Moderator
 Re: Farmhand F-10(?) loader hydraulic problem in reply to Allan in NE, 12-07-2005 04:03:36  
Hi Allan, my name's Mike. I did the test. Closest thing I could do was lifting the biggest pile of snow I could find. Couldn't hear anything either way. (Hopefully that's good) Yes, the little handle does let the bucket down. To be honest with you I have used the little thing but why, I don't know. I also don't know if the whole system is plumbed wrong. I know that I noticed the bucket creeping down about 3yrs. ago. I'm sure it held it's position before that. Hopefully this South Dakota weather will warm up this weekend so I can work on this a little more.

[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
Allan in NE

12-04-2005 05:13:27




Report to Moderator
 Re: Farmhand F-10(?) loader hydraulic problem in reply to SoDak man, 12-03-2005 20:04:44  
Hi Guy,

I'm reading between the lines here, but that sounds like the later F-10; the one just prior to the F-25? Two lift cylinders and one tilt cylinder that runs the cables and lives inside of the upper arm? Does it look like this one in the picture?

You should have THREE valves: The main rotary valve, a little 4" bleeder valve just ahead and higher than the rotary and then there should be a two-direction "flop-handled" valve mounted forward of the main valve that controls the grapple/push off cylinder on your various heads, if equipped.

It's plumbed wrong for one thing. That little 4" lever (with the external return spring) is the "slow drop" for the main lift. It should be plumbed into the system in parallel with the two main cylinders to dump back to the tank.

Don't get rid of it, 'cause it is essential for when you get a real heavy load up high and have to lower just a small amount. If you use the rotary valve to drop the load and then suddenly "stop" the drop, you run the risk of buckling those two big cylinders. Gotta use that little 4" 'bleeder' valve.

Back to your problem tho. Is it the tilt (cables) that is leaking down? Did you rebuild the cylinder inside the upper arm? That's the guy that usually leaks and it controls the tilt via the cables. Can only be leaking one of two places: the cylinder or the rotary valve.

If the whole loader is dropping down, the leak is at either the two main cylinders, the small bleeder valve or the rotary.

Now, if your tilt cylinder is mounted vertically and lives back beside the tank and if the tractor lives inside a "cage" affair, we're talking a very, very early F-10 and a totally different bird entirely.

Of course you can still get parts. My email is open; if you have trouble and we'll get on the horn and get 'er straightened out.

Allan

third party image

[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
[Options]  [Printer Friendly]  [Posting Help]  [Return to Forum]   [Log in to Reply]

Hop to:


TRACTOR PARTS TRACTOR MANUALS
We sell tractor parts!  We have the parts you need to repair your tractor - the right parts. Our low prices and years of research make us your best choice when you need parts. Shop Online Today. [ About Us ]

Home  |  Forums


Copyright © 1997-2023 Yesterday's Tractor Co.

All Rights Reserved. Reproduction of any part of this website, including design and content, without written permission is strictly prohibited. Trade Marks and Trade Names contained and used in this Website are those of others, and are used in this Website in a descriptive sense to refer to the products of others. Use of this Web site constitutes acceptance of our User Agreement and Privacy Policy

TRADEMARK DISCLAIMER: Tradenames and Trademarks referred to within Yesterday's Tractor Co. products and within the Yesterday's Tractor Co. websites are the property of their respective trademark holders. None of these trademark holders are affiliated with Yesterday's Tractor Co., our products, or our website nor are we sponsored by them. John Deere and its logos are the registered trademarks of the John Deere Corporation. Agco, Agco Allis, White, Massey Ferguson and their logos are the registered trademarks of AGCO Corporation. Case, Case-IH, Farmall, International Harvester, New Holland and their logos are registered trademarks of CNH Global N.V.

Yesterday's Tractors - Antique Tractor Headquarters

Website Accessibility Policy