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Ah man...what's next...Kid and 450D

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Bill46

12-05-2005 10:38:13




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Man,
Just got a call from my friend. His kid wanted to use the 450D today to haul in some fire wood. It's supposed to be chilly tonight.
No sweat, he has been using a little JD to haul wood but dad has a post hole digger on it.
I showed him how to start it last night and had him do it a couple of times. No problem...good kid, not reckless and all that.
Well...seems he got too close to a fence in the pasture and wound up a lot of wire and ripped out a few fence posts. Seems the tractor is a lot wider than the JD. I told him to cut off what he could and see if he can get it free and back to the barn lot. We can put it away when I get home tonight. If not...just leave it where it is and I will come help him after work.
Well, he got it free and tried to get it in the tool shed. He hung the axle on the door track where it rolls up and down. Now the door only comes part way down.
I told him (in a nice calm voice), to just leave it be and I will get it tonight. Guess I will go by Home Depot and get some door track on the way home. Sure hope he did not cut a tire...those are brand new.
His dad called to see if I was upset...I told him no, that's how kids learn. I reminded him of the stuff we tore up as kids when we were young. Heck...his dad had to replace the tail lights on a Dodge pickup at lease 3 times because we did not watch what we were doing. My dad had to replace the cutter guards on a mower many times when I hit stumps. Even managed to bend the tongue on a four wheel hay wagon a few times. Dad just fixed it and said that's how a kid learns.
But, I have to admit...I did other things to do tonight...but what the heck.

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Thack

12-05-2005 18:55:45




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 Re: Ah man...what's next...Kid and 450D in reply to Bill46, 12-05-2005 10:38:13  
My best friend's Dad had that attitude when we were growing up and it paid off in the long run.

Best one was when he crashed into my new truck that was parked out in the middle of a field with a loaded trailer of hay, just sittin there minding it's own business. Yep, just crashed that old for NAA right into my drivers side door.

I looked at him and said, "That's how old people learn". He lit up a smoke and said, "I'd kick your a$$ but....geuss your right" and laughed.

Before long he will be bailing you out of a mess.

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Ron in Nebr

12-05-2005 18:04:44




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 Re: Ah man...what's next...Kid and 450D in reply to Bill46, 12-05-2005 10:38:13  
I applaud your good attitude!

Your post brought back a stream of memories of stuff my brothers and I tore up as kids(and on into young adulthood too).....hay rakes run through fence lines, stumps mowed into, dents in this and that, cattle run through fences, windsheilds broken out of pickups from guns flying off gunracks when hitting deep ruts while "chasing stuff", broken springs, transfer-cases, and frames on pickups, and more tractors and pickups stuck in snowdrifts and mudholes in our first 15 or so years than twelve normal men would get stuck in a lifetime.

But through it all- even though we'd always get a firm talking-to, dad and grandad always just apparantly gritted their teeth and moved on. And now, as adults running the place, because of our "learning experiences", my brother and I know what NOT to do and what is ok to do, and when, and how...and how to fix things when they DO go wrong as things sometimes do no matter what the best intentions are. Pardon the bad grammar, but there ain't no better school than the school of life!

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P Backus

12-05-2005 10:54:18




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 Re: Ah man...what's next...Kid and 450D in reply to Bill46, 12-05-2005 10:38:13  
Hi Bill
Yeah, maybe that"s how kids learn, but it still kind of hurts when you have to pick up the pieces, especially when it"s someone elses kid. I feel for you! I go through that with employees. Thing is, if they learn something, they leave and then you have to go through it all again with the next one. On some things I"ve decided it"s just not worth it. For instance, what if someone shuts off my 600D (or your 450D) hot and cracks the head. Oops, they say, and I"m left holding the bag. I realize that I sound crabby, but it"s just something I"ve had to deal with. At least the kid is not likely to leave soon. As long as he doesn"t make the same mistakes over and over..... .. :>)
Paul

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Mr Bill No. Mn.

12-05-2005 16:17:08




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 Re: Ah man...what's next...Kid and 450D in reply to P Backus, 12-05-2005 10:54:18  
I don"t want to sound stupid but I haven"t worked on the bigger machines much. Whats scoup on not shutting off a machine when it too warm. Doesn"t the cooling system keep it cool enough?Forgive my not knowing._Bill



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P Backus

12-05-2005 17:29:13




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 Re: Ah man...what's next...Kid and 450D in reply to Mr Bill No. Mn., 12-05-2005 16:17:08  
Hi Mr Bill,
This is one of my pet subjects. Any engine, when running, is creating heat, but the coolant is constantly circulating, taking away the heat. When your engine is working the coolant may 200 degrees, but the iron around the combustion chamber is much hotter. When an engine is allowed to idle for a while after working, the coolant can take away the heat and equalize the temps in the head and block. Also the oil circulating does a fair amount of cooling of the bearings and pistons. Engines, especially diesels, don"t create much heat when idling. IF it is shut off right after working, all that heat has nowhere to go and kind of builds up unevenly, causing some parts to get hotter than they ever would while running. Did you ever see a cooling system boil over when shut down hot? Now the IH diesels that start on gas, run on diesel were notorious for cracked heads, especially from shutting down hot, or not being allowed to warm up before hard work. For some reason the design of the head couldn"t handle the sudden wide, uneven temp swings. So much so that it"s hard to find a head for an MD or WD-9 that"s not cracked.
I"m fussy about warming up/cooling down ALL my engines. I"ve got two pickups, one with 440,000 miles, the other with 300,000 miles, neither of which ever needed engine work. Farmer friends of mine that are fussy about that as well seem to be able to get 10,000 hours or more out of their tractor engines. Other farmers that I"ve worked for don"t pay any attention to that and often end up having to rebuild engines at 4, or 5,000 hrs. or less. I"m not saying that it"s the only factor in engine longevity, but I"m convinced that it"s a major one!
Sorry for the long post, but it"s something I feel strongly about!
Paul

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Geoff NY

12-05-2005 17:16:39




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 Re: Ah man...what's next...Kid and 450D in reply to Mr Bill No. Mn., 12-05-2005 16:17:08  
He was refering to cooling down an IH diesel after using it so the head didn"t crack. With the webbing of the head being thin because of the extra valves they tended to crack,



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Mr Bill No. Mn.

12-05-2005 19:10:59




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 Re: Ah man...what's next...Kid and 450D in reply to Geoff NY, 12-05-2005 17:16:39  
Thanks for the info guys. See 68 and still learning. Thanks again.



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VAJerry

12-05-2005 10:51:14




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 Re: Ah man...what's next...Kid and 450D in reply to Bill46, 12-05-2005 10:38:13  
What a great attitude. Let em learn by doing.



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Bill46

12-05-2005 12:24:21




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 Re: Ah man...what's next...Kid and 450D in reply to VAJerry, 12-05-2005 10:51:14  
Well...that's the way I was taught and even if they do goof once in awhile, they are out doing and learning not playing a game on stu-pter or watching TV.
There are a lot of small farmers back where I come from quitting farming because they cannot find Summer help anymore. When I was a kid, we worked in the Summer for our money...it was not given to us. Things have changed.
Bye the bye...the kid is getting a running 350U for X-mas. His dad and I have been working on one all Summer to get it right...the kid thinks it's going to be sold. I personally could not think of a better present.
It will need paint...but little else. He can paint it like he wants. Mechanically it will be near perfect.

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