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RANGEL

12-13-2005 10:27:49




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TRIED TO START 52 CUB BY USING CABLES FROM - TO -ON STARTER AND + GROUNDED TO FRAME. STILL NO CRANK. DON'T BELIEVE IGNITON SWITCH IS BAD. COULD IT BE STARTER FRIED OR VOLATGE REGULATOR OR BOTH? HELP! ICAN'T BELIEVE CHANGING OUT BATTERY CABLES WOULD CASUE SUCH A HEADACHE. PLANNING TO TAKE APART VOLATGE REGULATOR FIRST AND CLEANING. NEXT WILL TAKE OUT STARTER COMPLETELY AND LOOK AT IT. hA! THAT'S ABOUT ALL I CAN DO IS LOOK AT IT.

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Kevin LA-CA

12-13-2005 18:46:26




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 Re: FOLLOW-UP ON SHORT in reply to RANGEL, 12-13-2005 10:27:49  
This summer I broke the field winding right where the winding clamped to the post/stud. I didn't hold the jam nut and stud turned too much and broke the winding.

I didn't see the earlier posts - don't know if you are drawing any current (i.e. see sparks). Could be an open like I had. Check post to ground with DMM. Probably should be <10ohm.



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Bob M

12-13-2005 11:40:44




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 Re: FOLLOW-UP ON SHORT in reply to RANGEL, 12-13-2005 10:27:49  
Rangel - Safety first: Put on safety glasses before proceeding!

While the chances are vanishingly small, there still exists a remote possibility of scattering sparks or the battery rupturing whenever you are working around batteries and starters!!

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Now that we've got safety covered, if you have jumper cables I’d proceed this:

Disconnect the UNGROUNDED battery cable at both the battery and the starter switch. (Leave the GROUNDED cable attached to both the battery and the tractor frame.)

Have an assistant hold one end of the jumper cable firmly on the copper contact button on the starter. Now clamp the other end of the jumper cable to the battery post - expect a healthy spark when you make the connection! If the starter doesn’t spin the instant you make contact, disconnect the jumper at the battery.

Good luck!!

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rangel

12-14-2005 03:42:26




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 Re: FOLLOW-UP ON SHORT in reply to Bob M, 12-13-2005 11:40:44  
Bob, you're a life-saver! (my wife would have killed me if I'd of had to tell her that a few days after I brought my baby home, it wouldn't start).Thanks.



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rangel

12-13-2005 12:38:49




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 Re: FOLLOW-UP ON SHORT in reply to Bob M, 12-13-2005 11:40:44  
Ok, got it Bob! I'll let you know how it turns out. Thanks for the safety advise too.



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Bob M

12-13-2005 10:43:56




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 Re: FOLLOW-UP ON SHORT in reply to RANGEL, 12-13-2005 10:27:49  
First of all forget about the ignition switch and voltage regulator for now. These affect only spark and generator operation when the motor is running - no way can a bad switch or regulator problem cause a "no crank" condition!

A few things to check:

1 - Are you CERTAIN your battery is good, and is fully charged? If not you're chasing your tail doing anything else trying to figure out the problem...

2 - When you replaced the battery cables did you thoroughly clean (ie. clean down to bare metal) the mating surfaces between the grounded cable terminal and the tractor frame, and between the ungrounded cable terminal and the starter switch post? Use emery cloth or a file and make these surfaces SHINE! Then thoroughly tighten all the connections. Also make sure both the battery posts and insides of the battery cable clamps are clean (shiney, bare metal), and the clamps tightened thoroughly.

3 - Could be you've got a worn out starter switch (it happens a lot). If the switch is mounted directly on the starter, remove the switch then use a jumper cable from the ungrounded battery post to the copper contact button on the starter (expect a large spark when you make contact!) If the starter now spins, replace the switch. But if you get a spark but no spin, or if you get no spark at all, you've got a jammed or worn out starter. Time for a visit to your local starter/alternator shop.

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rangel

12-13-2005 11:23:11




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 Re: FOLLOW-UP ON SHORT in reply to Bob M, 12-13-2005 10:43:56  
thanks Bob M. I'll try both suggestions you made even though I believe all contacts are clean as a whistle. When I use the cable to starter post, do I leave the battery cables attached to battery or do i disconnect both and use jumper cables with ground to the frame? Hope I'm making sense here, but I guess you already know I'm not the brightest wannabe tractor buff. Thanks for your response.

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KevinH

12-13-2005 14:02:29




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 Re: FOLLOW-UP ON SHORT in reply to rangel, 12-13-2005 11:23:11  
Just a thought here...are you sure the starter is not stuck in the ring gear? Try rocking the tractor back and forth while in HIGHEST gear with the switch off and notice if the front pulley moves at all while rocking. If not, loosen starter bolts and ease starter back out a little and see if it springs back. (I know this from my own wannabe experiences) Kevin



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rangel

12-14-2005 03:37:23




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 Re: FOLLOW-UP ON SHORT in reply to KevinH, 12-13-2005 14:02:29  
Gene, Kevin, and all other helpful folks, THANKS! I followed the suggestion regarding checking ground connections again and re-cleaned both cables on both ends as well as bat. posts. My little cub fired right up and purred like a kitten! I had no idea a brand new set of packaged battery cables would have been that ineffective without a thorough sanding on ends. Now I'm gonna see what else I can "fix" on it. Ha!

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