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1566 Jim

12-25-2005 07:30:52




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Ineed to put new tires on the 1566 was looking at the Firestone 23degree radials just wondering id anyone has any info on how well these tires work and hold up.




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Hugh MacKay

12-25-2005 20:19:49




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 Re: Tires in reply to 1566 Jim, 12-25-2005 07:30:52  
Jim: I presume your 1566 is a two wheel drive unit. These guys seem to want to argue about something other than my point. My point being that I feel if your farming and dual that tractor up, you will have much better service from any given tire. You will also cut down on soil compaction and get the same traction with less weight in a field situation.

My 1066 was delivered to me new in 1975 with 20.8x38 Goodyear tires loaded to the limit with calcium chloride. Turning in the field under heavy load in would roll those tires to point rims almost touched the ground. Pulling a 25' cultivator the tractor left wheel tracks that didn't cover up. A real mess to plant behind. I dualed the tractor after that first set of tires, never put the chloride back. In the field the tractor would pull more load with less weight, and pulling more load with less weight means less soil compaction. May I also point out that on a hard roadway the single wheels with chloride will definately outpull the duals. If your into tractor pulling that's just fine.

The next problem I encountered after installing the duals, was they beat the crap out of the front end. Duals like to go straight ahead. I would never buy another tractor over 100hp without front wheel drive, it makes them turn easily under load.

Having said all of this, I dare say you and Magnum are right about the Firestone radials, probably the very best farm tire money can buy. I read discussions here everyday and you never hear anything but good about those tires. I have no idea how they are priced today in comparison to bias ply tires. My only point here was pointing out to you the importance of putting enough rubber on the ground to harness that horse power, with the least amount of soil compaction.

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1566 Jim

12-26-2005 16:33:59




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 Re: Tires in reply to Hugh MacKay, 12-25-2005 20:19:49  
Thanks for the reply Hugh I totally agree about the duals - I already have the it is just the tires are all bias plu and the main tires are shot and need replaced was just looking at going with the radials - yes they are more money a little over $200 per tire but looking at specs and weight the radials look like may be cheaper in long run.



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Hugh MacKay

12-27-2005 19:14:29




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 Re: Tires in reply to 1566 Jim, 12-26-2005 16:33:59  
Jim: I kind of figured you were going to tell me this, $200. per tire that is. In the early days of radials the spread was much greater. I forget the actual dollars, but it was more than double for radials over bias.



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MAGNUM

12-25-2005 13:42:10




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 Re: Tires in reply to 1566 Jim, 12-25-2005 07:30:52  
1566 JIM, get a set of firestone 23 degree radials, you wont be dissapointed!!!!!, duals or not,good year tires are junk, same with bfgoodrich. you want a farm tractor tire? firestone! no other manufacture can touch a 23 degree. i farm with a 1466 and pull with it on the side, sooooo glad i switched brands!!



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Hugh MacKay

12-25-2005 19:41:57




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 Re: Tires in reply to MAGNUM, 12-25-2005 13:42:10  
Magnum: I have neither bought or used a 38" tractor tire in the past 15 years. I can tell you that in the late 1970s, radials were more than twice the cost of bias ply in the same size. I got 9,000 hours of service out of my bias ply duals. Now I ask you, when was the last time you got 9,000 hours out of a single set of Firestone radials on a 150 hp tractor?



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MAGNUM

12-26-2005 10:38:03




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 Re: Tires in reply to Hugh MacKay, 12-25-2005 19:41:57  
hugh, not trying to start a feud, but i just bought these tires, will they last 9000 hours? no. i dont even have a set of duals for the 14, i am in the process of getting a set.my tractor does ALOT of road travel,that alone will lessen the life of the tires, yes they are completely loaded with calcium, along with 3 rings of wheel weights, i havent had any trouble covering my tire tracks. yet. compaction? havent seen anything yet. i would like to add a set of dauls on it, she pulls great as is, will duals help?of course.i saved my old tires when the new ones were installed.i know that when i pull into a field to chisel plow, without duals, that i am getting alot of traction, is it going to be hard on the rear end? probably,biased tires slip alot more than radials.yes radial tires are more expensive, but i can run my tires pressure down to 10lbs. can you do that with a biased? no.

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Hugh MacKay

12-26-2005 13:20:37




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 Re: Tires in reply to MAGNUM, 12-26-2005 10:38:03  
Magnum: I did operate my bias ply duals at 12 psi, no chloride or wheel weights. Probably 80% of the tractors work load was pto work.

The soil was quite unique, and care had to be used not to make wheel tracks or create compaction.



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MAGNUM

12-26-2005 13:30:20




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 Re: Tires in reply to Hugh MacKay, 12-26-2005 13:20:37  
gumbo? muck ground? i know what ya mean. one slip of the tires and you are stuck!!.



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Hugh MacKay

12-25-2005 09:13:48




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 Re: Tires in reply to 1566 Jim, 12-25-2005 07:30:52  
Jim: I'm out of touch with tires for big tractors in the past 15 years. I can however tell you one item. Two tires do not stand up near as well as 4 to that kind of horse power. When my 1066 was new it came with 8 ply, 20.8x38, 23 degree Goodyear traction torque. The tractor destroyed those tires in the first 1,000 hours of operation. It was not tread wear, but rather tire breakage. I replaced them with same tires except duals. The 4 tires lasted 9,000 hours. You decide which is the most economical tire.

Some of the new tires out today, particularly radials may do better as single. I somehow doubt the ratio will change though.

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randy hall

12-25-2005 12:25:54




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 Re: Tires in reply to Hugh MacKay, 12-25-2005 09:13:48  
hugh it sounds like you learned a long time ago what goodyear tractor tires do best- blow out. by the way since it's so much fun arguing with you goodyear never made a 23 degree tire. i hope you and your family had a merry christmas.



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Hugh MacKay

12-25-2005 13:52:20




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 Re: Tires in reply to randy hall, 12-25-2005 12:25:54  
Randy: I have the photo of tractor dualed up right in front of me. Can't be certain the tires are 23 degree tread, but they certainly aren't 45 degree. They could be somewhere in between. I will be putting this photo in gallery shortly, after I get it and a few others scanned. You can decide for yourself.

I do remember the tires were Goodyear as their representative came to see me about the problem I had with the tires. In fact they replaced those tires free of charge, and I bought the dual set.

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John17

12-25-2005 18:44:56




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 Re: Tires in reply to Hugh MacKay, 12-25-2005 13:52:20  
Hugh, Goodyear never mage a 23 degree tire. They couldn't because Firestone put a patent on that tread a looooong time ago. They did make a 30 degree tire in about 1975 that was very popular. The original equipment tires from that time were never as good as the aftermarket tires. JohnG



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Hugh MacKay

12-25-2005 19:29:21




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 Re: Tires in reply to John17, 12-25-2005 18:44:56  
John: Therein lies the answer, looking at the photo of my 1066, I can quite readliy agree they are probably 30 degree tread. I quite honostly never paid a whole lot attention to the fact there 3 different tread designs back then.

I was not trying to suggest any one tire over another. I have never used radials. I had neighbors that did and from what they told me, I couldn't see using them from an economic point of view. Over the years I had several different brands of bias ply tires on 18 different tractors, and could never see that any one single tire stood out from the crowd. I had an excellent tire dealer very close by, who handled about 5 different brands including Firestones and Goodyears and he was always able to offer me the best deal and best warrenty on Goodyears. Since making money farming was more important to me than winning the local tractor pull, I stuck with the tire that gave the best service. We all know the best service came from the dealer right in your home town.

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Janicholson

12-25-2005 10:09:50




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 Re: Tires in reply to Hugh MacKay, 12-25-2005 09:13:48  
A gentleman named Tom Welch at Montana State University Northern, Havre, MT is associated with Goodyear Tire testing for Ag. His contact is through the Universities web site. Be sure to include the Northern in your search. He is a great resource and friend to agriculture.



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