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anybody ever try this?

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john koritansky

12-26-2005 05:48:45




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Happy New Year, Farmall Mavens:
I am considering a device to operate a remote hydraulic cylinder from my Farmall Super A, to operate a pull type sickle mower with a hydraulic lift. The idea is to mount a matching cylinder between the rockshaft arms and the drawbar on the tractor and then run the plumbing between the "actuating" cylinder and the remote. Could this work? Should I use single acting cylinders or double? Anybody ever do this? Many thanks.

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Hugh MacKay

12-27-2005 19:02:27




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 Re: anybody ever try this? in reply to john koritansky, 12-26-2005 05:48:45  
John: There is a down side to what your trying. Your Super A will have greater lifting capacity from a remote valve than from the rockshafts. I have seen remote valves installed on 100 and 130 with 1 point fast hitch, and a cylinder was used to power the hitch lift. This substancially increases the lifting capacity of that hitch, even though the rockshaft operated hitch had a spring assist.

You can also use another comparison. The rockshaft operated fast hitch on a 100 or 130 have a lift limit near 500 lbs. The remote valve hitch on 200 and 230 will lift double that amount. Same basic hydraulic system on both of them. That rockshaft system will just not have the mechanical advantage required to do what you want.

I don't think you will install this and have it a success for much less cost than a remote valve.

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KirkMn

12-27-2005 09:47:52




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 Re: anybody ever try this? in reply to john koritansky, 12-26-2005 05:48:45  
If I am on the same page as what you are thinking, that setup is what is called a Master and Slave Cylinder setup. I will probably work either way as long as the Cylinders are the same size (dont try to run a Two-Way slave system with two different size Cylinders). Your Master Cyl would be the on the drawbar rocker assy and the Slave Cyl would be the one on the Mower. As the Master Cyl moves in or out, the slave Cyl will follow. It would seem to me that it would be easier to just put a Hyd Cyl on the mower and run it with the Tractor Hydraulics. Would be less plumbing, one less Cylinder thus less possible leaks.

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Pete7

12-26-2005 19:48:40




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 Re: anybody ever try this? in reply to john koritansky, 12-26-2005 05:48:45  
Hi John..I have a Super A that I set-up the way CNKS described. The remote hydraulics works fine and give you the ability to run 2 way cylinders. I believe the Super A could be set up new this way by the dealer as an option, or at least that's what my manual says.
Pete



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Dave Sherburne,NY

12-26-2005 15:14:01




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 Re: anybody ever try this? in reply to john koritansky, 12-26-2005 05:48:45  
There's a guy on the ford 8n board who has this
setup to operate a snowplow, has some nice pictures
in his post.Try a search there.



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Spence

12-26-2005 13:29:49




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 Re: anybody ever try this? in reply to john koritansky, 12-26-2005 05:48:45  
If what you are trying to do is get your 3PH to operate a driving cylinder, then it would work. Issues to be considered are the force applied will be much greater than what the pump is applying. In other words if it puts out 1500-2100 lbs, the driven cylinder(3PH) is working at a much higher force than the pump, so the plumbing and cylinders of the independant system would need to withstand the force of the working pressure of the 3PH.

Another is the driven cylinder travel of the new system would be much less than what is supplied by the 3PH, given a standard arc travel of 20-30 inches.

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waterpourer

12-26-2005 11:45:04




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 Re: anybody ever try this? in reply to john koritansky, 12-26-2005 05:48:45  
What you are talking about is a rephase cylinder setup. It will work fine, but you need to match the retract volumn of oil on your driving cylinder to the extend volumn of your working cylinder - in other words, your driver should be a bigger cylinder than your worker.

I design cylinders, here's a link to our rephase cylinders:>Link

Go>Link to products/tierods/series cylinders

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CNKS

12-26-2005 07:11:29




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 Re: anybody ever try this? in reply to john koritansky, 12-26-2005 05:48:45  
You lost me, so if I don't understand what you are doing, ignore this post -- Super A hydraulics are no different from the C. If you don't have the factory remote, you need the block that fits between the reservoir and the lines to the pump. (Saginaw County Tractor and others). Run the new lines to a spool valve, then to the implement. Put a quick disconnect on the lines at the rear of the tractor. This will not interfere with normal touch control/rockshaft operation. The Super A/C is set up for two way cylinders. I suppose you could set it up for one way by eliminating the return line and venting the "down" port of the 2-way cylinder. If you have the factory remote (neater installation) I don't see the problem.

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Janicholson

12-26-2005 06:10:40




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 Re: anybody ever try this? in reply to john koritansky, 12-26-2005 05:48:45  
It is a tidy solution to the problem.
either will work, it depends on whether you need down force. Return springs on the slave cyl may be needed. Getting the air out will be important because it will be an independent system.
There are (I think) other solutions for using remotes on a A B C series, but they require non stock plumbing.
JimN



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Dave H (MI)

12-26-2005 11:59:51




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 Re: anybody ever try this? in reply to Janicholson, 12-26-2005 06:10:40  
He shouldn't need the down force. Most pull type sickles I am familiar with would drop without the cylinder.



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