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Farmall H Starting Problems.....

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Farmall H PA

12-27-2005 14:02:03




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Hi Everyone,

I looked at a 1946 Farmall H in november and it ran good, it flooded when we firt tried to start it but finally got it started by using a batery charger with the high amp 6 volt start mode. I since bought the trator and now we ahve problems starting it.....IT WON"T. Put new battery in it and new battery cables of correct size, becasue it needed it. Now all it does is crank over. If i choke it gas leakes from the carb, and jsut keeps cranking without even a pop. I'm going tommrow prepared to get it running. I'm gunna pull the plugs and give them a looken, and tesst for spark...the best way to do this is to just take the plugs out and ground it to the block and look for spark right??? I'll take some ether JUST IN CASE. It may need the points adjusted or new points if no spark. I dunno why it doesn't want to start, but i'll crank it and see if the plugs are even getting gas, and then check for spark, and try to elminate things one by one....anyone have any suggestions? It has a magneto.

Ryan

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Sam DeCatt

12-28-2005 11:21:21




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 Re: Farmall H Starting Problems..... in reply to Farmall H PA, 12-27-2005 14:02:03  
Since you have indicated your "H" has a mag, does it make a clicking sound when turned over with the crank. If not the impulse is likely not working. If it isn't the only way to overcome this is to remove the mag and check the impulse mechanism to see if it is free and all the springs are intact.
In noticed in the replies nobody has mentioned this, at least I didn't see any.



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El Toro

12-28-2005 04:26:08




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 Re: Farmall H Starting Problems..... in reply to Farmall H PA, 12-27-2005 14:02:03  
Make sure the kill switch for the mag isn't in the off position. This is how the engine is shutdown using a mag. It grounds out the mag and kills the spark from the mag. Hal



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john d

12-27-2005 20:00:39




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 Re: Farmall H Starting Problems..... in reply to Farmall H PA, 12-27-2005 14:02:03  
If it has gas, spark, compression, and is timed correctly, it will run.

You've got gas dripping from the carb, so you know it has fuel that far, at least. I'd look for spark next. Remove a spark plug wire from the mag cap. Let it hang in mid-air while still attached to the mag. Get a long screwdriver with a wood or plastic handle. Put the tip of the blade firmly against the engine block, and have someone crank the engine over WITH THE IGNITION SWITCH ON while you move the blade of the screwdriver close to the end of the plug wire. If you have spark, it will jump from the wire to the screwdriver. You won't get shocked, as it will go back to the engine block. If you can't get a spark that way, then it's time to dig into the mag. If you do get a healthy-looking blue spark (reddish may indicate poor condenser) then pull the spark plugs. If they are wet with gas, clean them. Don't just clean the threaded end, wipe the porcelin insulator with a paper towel to remove moisture, dirt, etc. While they are out, crank the engine a couple of turns to put some clean air inside
before re-installing the plugs.
If the gas is old, all bets are off.

As a previous poster indicated, they each have their quirks about how much choke they want. I'd start with about 1/4 throttle and no choke. Get the engine spinning, then add a LITTLE choke if needed.

If the thing remains completely reluctant, or if the battery is about gone, consider applying 12 volts directly to the starter. Don't touch the starter switch on the tractor when doing this, and the 6volt system will remain isolated from the 12 volts. If you go the 12 volt routine with jumper cables, wear some safety goggles, and don't have stray sparks anywhere NEAR any dripping gasoline or gas fumes!

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El Toro

12-27-2005 18:41:42




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 Re: Farmall H Starting Problems..... in reply to Farmall H PA, 12-27-2005 14:02:03  
You need to pull the coil wire from the cap and hold it within 1/4" of a good ground on the frame
while some attempts to start the tractor. Use a pair of insulated pliers to hold the wire, but I doubt if you need them now. You should have a hot spark here if the mag is firing. If not you should replace the points and condenser. Set points to .013" and try that same procedure again.
If you have good spark then I would try a start.
If you still have no spark after the points and condenser your coil may be the problem. There's magnets just below the coil and you can check the magnetism in these magnets with a flat blade screwdriver. The magnets is what creates the spark when it passes past the coil. I would do this before buying a coil. Hal

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Michael Soldan

12-27-2005 17:09:03




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 Re: Farmall H Starting Problems..... in reply to Farmall H PA, 12-27-2005 14:02:03  
Farmall H PA, here's how I start stubborn tractors. Disconnect the air tube from the oil bath to the carb. Get one of your wife's windex bottles or any household spray bottle, fill with fresh gasoline. Make sure the tractor is in neutral and ignition on. With your right hand hit the starter button and with the left spray gasoline mist into the carb..if the H doesn't light up then you have spark or timing problems, usually about two sqirts and then I keep it running by continuing to squirt when the engine fades, often when it runs a moment it will continue on its own. One of my H's requires a lot of choke to start( gas begins to drip out) and it fires, the other H doesn't need choke to start, just half to keep running until it warms up a moment, as others said they are all different. Incidentally if it has Champion plugs that's likely why it isn't starting well...Good luck... Mike in Exeter Ontario

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riverbend

12-27-2005 15:57:35




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 Re: Farmall H Starting Problems..... in reply to Farmall H PA, 12-27-2005 14:02:03  
Every one of these tractors starts differently, so you may have to just figure out what this tractor likes. If it ran once, it will run again.

First thing, drain out all the old gas and put in a few gallons of fresh unleaded fuel. Do as much of a tune up as you can. How ? Check the Operator's Manual. Make sure that it has some spark.

My H starts best by pulling the choke out fully, cranking it twice around (ruh - ruh), push the choke in all the way, set the throttle up six or seven clicks from idle, and then turn on the ignition. Crank it again, and it should be running. Feather the choke a little (1/2 way ?) if it tries to die.

Good luck.

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Turtle H

12-27-2005 14:54:47




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 Re: Farmall H Starting Problems..... in reply to Farmall H PA, 12-27-2005 14:02:03  
Install new points, condenser, rotor,cap, and spark plugs. Check the coil. Adjust carb idle mixture screw(1 to 1 1/2 turns open) and main fuel adjusting screw(2 1/2 to 3 turns open).When you try to start the tractor, USE CHOKE SPARINGLY.
This is the procedure I have always followed when I am trying to start a tractor that has been sitting for a few years or when a tractor is flooding when trying to start them

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Farmall H PA

12-27-2005 14:49:14




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 Best way to check for spark? in reply to Farmall H PA, 12-27-2005 14:02:03  
So whats the BESt way to check for spark...simply ground a plug to the block and have somebody turn it over? What about those spark tester that i have heard of from automotive stores? Whats the cost of them?? Just trying to figure out the best way to check for spark and then to do the points...which don't look like fun to do with a Magneto



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RustyFarmall

12-27-2005 14:13:46




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 Re: Farmall H Starting Problems..... in reply to Farmall H PA, 12-27-2005 14:02:03  
Before you do anything else install a new set of points. Spark plugs are second, and I guess it wouldn't hurt to go armed with a new distributor cap, and maybe even a rotor.



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Yugrotcart

12-27-2005 14:11:42




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 Re: Farmall H Starting Problems..... in reply to Farmall H PA, 12-27-2005 14:02:03  
Ryan, Seems like you have the right idea. Check for spark, if no spark clean and adjust points, .20 if it is distibutor, .13 if it's a mag. If that doesn't work, I'd install new plugs, wires, cap, rotor and condenser. If these parts are questionable, well worth the money.



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TomHath

12-27-2005 14:11:28




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 Re: Farmall H Starting Problems..... in reply to Farmall H PA, 12-27-2005 14:02:03  
It will flood if you choke it for more than one or two times around when cranking.

Pull the choke, hit the starter for just a second, then stop. Close the choke most of the way and hit the starter for real. If it still doesn't fire you probably don't have a good spark; first thing to do is clean and gap the points.



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