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123cu swap to 135?

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fredmich

01-01-2006 07:56:14




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Can someone tell me if a 135 out of a 340 will fit a 240 and what problems if any I would encounter? My friends 240U needs a engine. Thanks....Fred




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jeff311

01-02-2006 20:46:13




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 Re: 123cu swap to 135? in reply to fredmich, 01-01-2006 07:56:14  
The 404 block fits a round torque tube just like the C, 200, 230, 240. The 340 fits a squared clutch housing, same as the 330, 460U. The 340 (135 Block) has 9 head bolts. The 404 (135 block) has 12 head bolts.



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Stan(VA).

01-02-2006 09:11:42




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 Re: 123cu swap to 135? in reply to fredmich, 01-01-2006 07:56:14  
Fred,
The easiest answer for your friend is to find either a 140 or 240 motor. Little more questions to answer, but poss a 404 motor (you do need to pay attn to bellhousing bolt patterns and pilot bearing on the 135's and 153's).

Hugh,
I would like to see that earlier thread when you recall it. There are two different flavors of C135 crankshafts (just based on journal diameters) and neither of them will fit in a C123 block without extensive machining. The later of the C135 cranks (poss both of them?) even have the wrong width on the number 1 & 3 mains. Tractor pullers might try it, but they have different expectations. I wouldn't recommend it for normal use as being cost prohibitive and you loose the hardened surfaces from the crank.
Stan(VA).

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Hugh MacKay

01-02-2006 16:48:33




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 Re: 123cu swap to 135? in reply to Stan(VA)., 01-02-2006 09:11:42  
Stan: It took about an hour, but I found the guys name. Red Rider was wanting to install a C-135 engine in a Farmall 100. I went to the archives and clcked on "search by author". I knew his handle had an R as in Red. I found the thread where he and I compared specs between Farmall 100 and 404. If I remember correctly, at the time there were several threads on the matter. You might try everything under his name related to myself, Farmalls 100, 404 and 340. Red didn't post a lot, less than 100 threads. I haven't seen his name in over a year. I'm not even sure what he did with the 100. I have a gut feeling he went with boring the C-123 block and using 3-1/4 sleeves and pistons only.

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Jeff311

01-01-2006 19:46:00




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 Re: 123cu swap to 135? in reply to fredmich, 01-01-2006 07:56:14  
340 block (135 cu in) is different bolt pattern and block configuration than the 240 (123 cu in). You can use the 404 block (135 cu in) as it is the same bell housing bolt pattern as the 240. Although the 340 and 404 both had 135 Cu in engines, they had different blocks and will not interchange.



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Hugh MacKay

01-02-2006 04:15:17




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 Re: 123cu swap to 135? in reply to Jeff311, 01-01-2006 19:46:00  
Jeff: Are you 100% sure the blocks are different? I have never tried this, however about 18 months ago there was a guy came here to YT discussions wanting to put a C-135 in a Farmall 100 for tractor pulling. At the time the consences was the only problem he would encounter with a 340 engine was the crankshaft and flywheel being different. I'm not sure which route he chose in the end.

I do remember he was advised of three options, with a couple of variations; bore a C-123 block and install a 404 crank, find a 404 engine, find a 330 or 340 engine and either change the crank or modify the crank and flywheel. Most folks seemed to think if he went the 330 or 340 engine route, finding a 404 crank would be easier than modification of the existing crank and flywheel. I'm not sure finding a 404 crank would be easy, that version was not a high production numbers engine.

My only involvment in this discussion was going through some specs I had at hand, re the idea boring the C-123 engine and finding a 404 crank. We did a complete comparison on everything bore, stroke, valve settings, cam, etc., etc.

This will be in the archives, not sure of title, don't remember his name or handle off hand. It will come to me in the next 48 hours. There will be 2 or 3 threads on this subject. I do know he was getting the strongest advice to bore the C-123 engine and be satisfied with larger bore, and forget about the longer stroke, it wasn't going to change power greatly. My thoughts at the time was find a 404 engine, as he would probably need to buy a complete engine to find a good 404 crank anyhow.

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Hugh MacKay

01-01-2006 15:16:01




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 Re: 123cu swap to 135? in reply to fredmich, 01-01-2006 07:56:14  
Fred: The flywheel will be different as the 340 will be set up for IPTO. The 240 flywheel may bolt right up to that crank. You may also have to check out pilot bearing. Not saying it can't be done, just take a look at those items.

Had the C-135 come from a 404, it would bolt right up as both it and 240 have transmission driven pto.



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El Toro

01-01-2006 08:15:16




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 Re: 123cu swap to 135? in reply to fredmich, 01-01-2006 07:56:14  
I think Quebec Red that post's on here has just did this. He may respond too. I think it will fit. Hal



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