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red lover

01-02-2006 20:41:57




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Does an M look better with the rear cast wheels dished in or out ? I have one with them dished in for 30 inch rows and hate the look. I think I am going to dish them out before painting it. What do you guys think?




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Levi Keech

01-03-2006 17:06:42




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 Re: Poll in reply to red lover, 01-02-2006 20:41:57  
Don't care what people say. I like the wheels the opposite way John's picture shows, looks a lot better that way.



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steve from mo - dangit!

01-03-2006 07:02:06




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 Re: Poll in reply to red lover, 01-02-2006 20:41:57  
I had never seen one with the wheels dished in before I started looking at pictures on here.

In central Iowa, they were all dished out since we used 3 or 4 bottom plows and mounted 4-row cultivators and 2-row mounted corn pickers on them. The Farmall M was the primary tractor for many farmers for quite a while.



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Allan in NE

01-03-2006 08:06:00




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 Re: Poll in reply to steve from mo - dangit!, 01-03-2006 07:02:06  
Mornin' Steve,

IH shipped 'em from the factory with the concaves in to fit 'em on the railcars better. Dealers were supposed to reverse the things prior to delivery.

Lot of these guys squeeze 'em in to haul on those 72" inch trailers, I guess.

When I first switched to 30" rows, all my tractors looked like they would fall over in a stiff breeze; but ya get used to the way they look in time. :>)

Allan

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Paul in Mich

01-03-2006 06:07:03




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 Re: Poll in reply to red lover, 01-02-2006 20:41:57  
I won"t dispute the argument of safety, as it is well known that the wider the rear wheel spacing, the less chance of roll-over. Around my part of the country, (Mid-Michigan), most tractors were configured with the wheels dished in for a couple of reasons. First of all, most of our row-crops in the era that would make H"s and M"s relevant were planted in 28" rows which would make the rear spacing 56". The other is that pulling a 2-14 plow allowed the hitch to be centered with the right rear wheel of the tractor in the furrow. That would prevent side drag and enhance steering. The third reason was that when mounting a loader, the tractor would go through any barn door that was wider than the axles and high enough to clear the muffler and operator. While this wasnt an issue with many farmers, it was in our case. Lastly, it is easier to mount and dismount the rear wheel weights if the wheels are dished in. I know that a long enough prybar would help in either case, it was a simple one man job with the wheels dished in. Since we used the same tractor for plowing s we did cultivating, it made good sense to remove the weights for cultivating to reduce compaction. Other than the reasons I mention, there is no other reason, unless you just like the way the wheels look dished in, to have dished out unless trailering becomes an issue. We here in Mid Mich dont have the hilly ground to negotiate, so roll-over accidents are probably fewer or at least less prone than in more hilly areas. Dished out and wider set rears do enhance safety, but I think dished in is more utile. Isn"t it great that we have such flexibility from which to choose?

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John A.

01-03-2006 05:38:08




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 Re: Poll in reply to red lover, 01-02-2006 20:41:57  
red lover, Dished out, and trade for a wider trailer!
Later,
John A.



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John M

01-03-2006 03:14:08




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 Re: Poll in reply to red lover, 01-02-2006 20:41:57  
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Like this! (But mainly so I could get it on my trailer) I likem out bt have grown use to this way and now kinda like it that way.



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Hugh MacKay

01-03-2006 03:00:16




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 Re: Poll in reply to red lover, 01-02-2006 20:41:57  
Brad: It's never been a matter of looks for me, but rather use and safety. My dad bought a new 300 in 55, of course those had the double bead rims. He told the dealer he wanted the tractor on 72" wheel tread, and with the double bead rims that can be achived either way, dished in or out. Dealer took the easy route and left them dished in, set hubs at end of axles and adjusted the bead setting to suit.

Several years later we put about a 20% twist in one rear axle on a heavy pull. Think about what could happen if an axle broke off. Since that time I've run all Farmalls with wheels dished out and on 72" centers. These high tractors are so much safer on 72" wheel tread. 30" corn rows really didn't matter a whole lot, as one could plant 30" rows with 72" tread and stay off the row. By the time 30" rows came along we were no longer cultivating corn over 6" high anyhow.

I did have my 560 and 1066 set at less than 72" for the inside tires, however the duals were never off those two. Forget the looks, this is all about tractors stability and your safety. I said to think about consequences if axle broke completely off. There was discussion on here about 3 years back, man was killed breaking one of those rear axles in 4th gear, tractor went down, wheel fell against operator and crushed him. Most of these axles are now 50 years old, and to some degree metal fatigue will be setting in. Dish your wheel out and set it close to axle housing, we want you to ask more questions in the future.

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Quebec Red

01-03-2006 12:14:20




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 Re: Poll in reply to Hugh MacKay, 01-03-2006 03:00:16  
I fully agree with you Hugh. All the Farmalls had dish in and set to 72 inches except the Super H that had a 33 loader. They were even wider;but was extremely stable. About 6 years ago on a cold February day while lightly working in the bush we broke the rear axle on a 656. These were dished in and were close to the housing. The wheel angled out, and down came the tractor. Of course the break occured 3/4 of a mile from the road, with a rough trail to get there. We managed to widen the worst spots, and I picked up the rear side with my Maxxum and very carefully towed it to the road. The Maxxum was very tippy(38s, calcium, and 3 weights per side). Ended up doing a major on the 656 rear and dif once it was apart..... You know what I mean. I was not there when it broke, but I guess it was hard on underwear!!!!! QR

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Brad in WI

01-02-2006 23:06:49




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 Re: Poll in reply to red lover, 01-02-2006 20:41:57  
After I paint my MD I am going to have the cast wheels dished in. Only because it fits better with my duels. Otherwise I would have them dished out. Brad



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john d

01-02-2006 21:14:03




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 Re: Poll in reply to red lover, 01-02-2006 20:41:57  
Out.



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P Backus

01-02-2006 21:10:05




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 Re: Poll in reply to red lover, 01-02-2006 20:41:57  
It"s all about what you like and are used to. Of course they were made to go either way to accomodate various wheel spacings, so if you need it very narrow or very wide you would have no choice!
All that being said, I"ve always liked them dished in- just looks normal to me. :>)
Paul



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P Backus

01-02-2006 21:13:57




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 Re: Poll in reply to P Backus, 01-02-2006 21:10:05  
Wait, I confused myself- I meant dished out- with the hub closer to the transmission.
This setting is also less stressful on the axle shaft since it keeps the load closer to the bearings.
Paul (duh)



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Al in Virginia

01-02-2006 21:31:19




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 Re: Poll in reply to P Backus, 01-02-2006 21:13:57  
That would be dished -in. The hub should be closest to the housing and the rim dished out.



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MN Scott

01-02-2006 21:03:47




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 Re: Poll in reply to red lover, 01-02-2006 20:41:57  
I have to agree with you, dished in just does'nt look right. I vote dished out.



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walter south texas

01-02-2006 21:07:10




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 Re: Poll in reply to MN Scott, 01-02-2006 21:03:47  
i vote dish out looks a lot better



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Dick Davis

01-03-2006 02:58:33




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 Re: Poll in reply to walter south texas, 01-02-2006 21:07:10  
I have one each way and out looks a lot better.

The one that is IN is for mounting a second set of wheels for duals and I'm just getting too lazy to do the swap around twice a year. My nickel Dick Davis



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Allan in NE

01-03-2006 03:08:03




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 Re: Poll in reply to Dick Davis, 01-03-2006 02:58:33  
Me Too Dick,

Found it easier just to buy another tractor rather than face the chore of fightin' those darned duals.

Gives me a headache just thinkin' 'bout it. :>)

Allan



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KRUSS

01-03-2006 08:42:15




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 Re: Poll in reply to Allan in NE, 01-03-2006 03:08:03  
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