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jm1456

01-13-2006 17:43:16




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hello i have an 806,the problem is that the selector valve on the mcv works opposite than the way it is suposed to, up is direct down is ta. what would cause this? does not slip ether way and shifts fine, brakes steering good. thank you




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swetting red

01-15-2006 08:17:26




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 Re: ta or mcv problem in reply to jm1456, 01-13-2006 17:43:16  
hellow i know this 806 it is mine. jm 1456
is a good friend of mine.i bought this 806
this way.i took off mcv no cracks no brocken
gaskets drive selector not binding put back
together and put lots of strain on ta trying
to break something and still works backwords
when i figure this out will let every one know
thanks for all the knowledge



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Jim J

01-14-2006 08:05:51




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 Re: ta or mcv problem in reply to jm1456, 01-13-2006 17:43:16  
I ran into this problem once on a 1066. When a pipe wrench and sledge hammer crew put a clutch in the tractor the jammed the TA back and popped the snap rings out of the groves in the TA & the quill housing.



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JJK

01-14-2006 11:02:18




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 Re: ta or mcv problem in reply to Jim J, 01-14-2006 08:05:51  
One place that I used to work at there was a guy there that cost us more than what he was bringing in after a while. He served in the Army and was in the Gulf War so he was excellent at taking orders but his mentality was if it wasn't going into place then force it.
I remember one time he was putting a TA in a 1086, when bolting the engine back up it wasn't going together so he just kept tightening the bolts until it wouldn't go anymore. Then he come and asked me if something looked right. When I saw the big crack in the TA in front of the 3 tubes I just shook my head and told him to tear it down again. He ruined the torque, clutch disc and pressure plate that had just been replaced. Not to say that I've never wrecked anything but there are those people that just don't use their head when given a wrench.

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the tractor vet

01-14-2006 14:55:25




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 Re: ta or mcv problem in reply to JJK, 01-14-2006 11:02:18  
Yep destroy a anvil with a rubber hammer.



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the tractor vet

01-14-2006 08:39:22




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 Re: ta or mcv problem in reply to Jim J, 01-14-2006 08:05:51  
Gotta love this place if it has happend before somebody has been there and done that , i'll have to put that in the back of the book for the future , I have seen to much of the i can fix it myself and then hey i did this or that and now it won't work can you fix it .



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JJK

01-14-2006 07:14:41




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 Re: ta or mcv problem in reply to jm1456, 01-13-2006 17:43:16  
Being as odd as this one is I think the best place to start is the MCV and when disassembling pay close attention to any blowen gasket, cracks in the casting, any kind of obstruction, etc. By doing this will either fix the problem or eliminate the MCV and pinpoint the TA. If you would have to do the TA the MCV usually needs to be gone through anyway so you'd just be doing the easiest first.
This is out on a limb but when the MCV is off check the TA's driven gears to make sure that the front one is a little bigger than the back one. Its not possible to switch them around but to somehow have the wrong front gear shouldn't be thrown out the window. That could mean that the TA would the wrong one for your tractor and that could be a possiblity. Let us know what you find.

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Allan in NE

01-14-2006 07:46:08




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 Re: ta or mcv problem in reply to JJK, 01-14-2006 07:14:41  
JJ,

I agree with you totally and think your advise is an excellant idea.

Betcha it is gonna turn out to be one of those deals like Migraine had on his 966 and JM is probably gonna find the footprints left by the last fellow who was in there.

The coin has been flipped somewhere, that's fer sure. Wow! What a problem. :>(

Allan



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jm1456

01-14-2006 05:24:45




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 Re: ta or mcv problem in reply to jm1456, 01-13-2006 17:43:16  
to answer the questions. there is no oil in clutch housing, linkage is ajusted correctly,fresh filter and oil,(no milk)does not free wheel I bought the tractor this way,it is a very early 1963. thanks.



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Allan in NE

01-14-2006 05:42:14




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 Re: ta or mcv problem in reply to jm1456, 01-14-2006 05:24:45  
JM,

Does that tractor pull okay in 4th high, direct? Is it easy to shift or do you have to fight it in and out of gear?

That's really a weird problem there that you are dealing with. Just don't understand it.

I know that the thing really has to be adjusted correctly, which you say it is. Just sittin' here wondering how it would act if the dump port 17 was plugged off (off-placed gasket 'er something) and wasn't dumping to sump. That's the only escape for that oil from both modes.

Just don't know; this one is a head-scratcher! :>)

Allan

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Allan in NE

01-14-2006 04:34:41




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 Re: ta or mcv problem in reply to jm1456, 01-13-2006 17:43:16  
Hi JM,

I don't have a clue as to what is going on with your tractor and it almost sounds totally impossible for it to work the way you say it does.

But, let me relate this experience.

When I bought my old 686, it was a very tired, rode to death, cattle lot "chore tractor" under a loader, which was used by the hired men on the lot.

The rearend forward PTO shaft seal had begun to leak inside the tractor, so one of the boys, not knowing, just put a plug down underneath in the weep hole to stop the external leaking. Evidently, over time, the fellas just kept adding rearend oil because it always seemed to be showing "low".

When I got it, it appeared to have a rear main seal leak at the back of the motor.

Come to find out, that thing had about 60 or 70 gallons of hytran in it and the main clutch was constantly running in oil that had overflowed and followed that open PTO shaft into the forward flywheel/clutch compartment.

It absolutely "felt" backwards (possibly, just as your does) because that main clutch was actually slipping when on the high side. Too much torque to pull itself correctly in direct, but it could handle the load while in T/A because of the gear reduction.

I know yours is a large frame tractor and is built differently, but strange things do happen and I hope you get it figured out.

Allan

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the tractor vet

01-13-2006 19:59:15




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 Re: ta or mcv problem in reply to jm1456, 01-13-2006 17:43:16  
In all the years that i have worked on the 06 seires i have never ever come on that one yet so i have no idea to help ya on that one valve all the way down is high range and all the way up is low now how in the hello it is doing this ??? i would have to see this .



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JJK

01-13-2006 18:17:27




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 Re: ta or mcv problem in reply to jm1456, 01-13-2006 17:43:16  
Does the tractor speed up when you pull the TA lever back and slow down when the lever is pushed forward? Does the TA freewheel going down hill in either position? It shouldn't be possible for it to transpose the high and low so I would have a tendency to believe that one side is out and you could be driving with the sprage. The freewheel would tell for sure. Did this start all of a sudden one day, have you checked any TA and clutch adjustments, etc.

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