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SRA

01-31-2006 08:13:17




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I am painting a 70 hydro this is my 4th tractor I use quality paint and hardner when painting. The first ractor I use clear coat when I was all done but I used no hardner when I painted it The next two I did I used paint hardner and no clear coat I cant see a difference between them. share your exsperience Please.




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CNKS

01-31-2006 18:04:54




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 Re: Clear coat or not in reply to SRA, 01-31-2006 08:13:17  
I'm going to give a different point of view. Hardener contains isocyanates. Isocyanates are deadly. They REQUIRE a supplied air system, the cheapest supplied air units are about $500. If you are going to continue painting tractors with hardener I recommend that you get one. Most people on this forum will say you do not need one. Problem is, iso's are cumulative, they stay in your system and sooner or later will make you sick, keep using them and you will likely die. Do a search and you will find a lot of info. As far as mixing, I have not used 2150, as I much prefer acrylic urethane, which must have hardener. The mixing instructions for 2150 will be on the can, I think the ratio is about 8:1 paint to reducer, I think it can be thinned to 25% (can't quite imagine that) if you use hardener the can won't tell you, but it is likely about 4:1:1, don't quote me on that. As noted below, automotive type paints are vastly superior to farm store paint, and even better than CIH 2150, although the "new" formulation of 2150 is better than the old one. Automotive style paints have exact mixing instructions, any error in flow is the painter's fault, not the paints. You don't need to add reducer until it "flows off the stick right". Just mix and paint, quality paints are bulletproof, only the painter is not. I have not used clear coat, to me it is just another 2 or 3 applications to mess up. You may or may not see a difference when you use clear, the shine is more related to your painting skills. With a few exceptions, clear must have hardener. If you use clear you must use hardener start to finish, don't put the color on without hardener, and then use clear with hardener, the reactions are different.

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Larry in CO

01-31-2006 17:56:51




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 Re: Clear coat or not in reply to SRA, 01-31-2006 08:13:17  
When I painted my "46 H, I used a combination of spray bombs, from Case, and a $45 spray gun from Home Depot with Case 2150 paint thinned with Case thinner - no hardner. This tractor is the first one I painted and I believe it came out pretty good. This picture was taken when the paint job was about 3 years old. It doesn"t seem to have faded but most of the time it is under cover. Even up close, a feller would have a hard time telling what was painted with the spray bomb and which was painted with the gun. Larry

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LumbrJakMan

01-31-2006 12:23:12




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 Re: Clear coat or not in reply to SRA, 01-31-2006 08:13:17  
OK heres a Post I need to get in on . I recently rebuilt my First Tractor . 1953 Super M . I am going to try and Paint it myself also. When you say a " Shot " of thinner , can you please be more specific. I am going to use Case IH 2150 Paint. How much should I mix together for the Painting process. How much should I get .... 2 Gallons enough ? What should I set my air pressure at ? I got a water seperator for the end of line on my compressor , and its a Regulator also. Any Good Guns you Fellows would suggest for a Beginner. I dont mind Paying for a quality tool and having it for a while so it will work well.

Thanks for any and all tips .

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Baelee05

01-31-2006 15:56:52




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 Re: Clear coat or not in reply to LumbrJakMan, 01-31-2006 12:23:12  
The CIH 2150 with a hardener will be fine. I don't reccomend 2150 without a hardener. The shine will not be as great or last as long and it takes several weeks to fully cure. If you are using paint with a hardener you can sand a run out the next day if need be. If you buy some of the better paints like a Dupont or PPG acrylic enamel with hardener you get all the stuff with a recipe to follow. After painting with implement company paint and then using an automotive finish you think you died and went to heaven. It is a lot easier to work with and lay down. I'm not saying the implement store paint is bad. In fact I would reccomend that a beginner start with that. Just make sure you use a hardener. I can't remember what it is called but they make something to add to the paint that will prevent "fish eye" and "orange peel". Ask someone at an autobody supply store about this product. An inexpensive gun will work fine. I wouldn't go with the cheapest thing I could find but you can find an imitation Binks for probably $50 or $60. Whatever you buy for a gun learn how to take it apart and put it back together with your eyes closed. The key to a gun that functions properly and paints good is how it is cleaned and cared for. Buy yourself a good quality mask too. If you are like me you might be painting in an area that is clean to us but by painting standards not all that clean. I reccomend spraying a mist of water on the floor right before painting. Prevents dust contamination. Good luck.

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the tractor vet

01-31-2006 14:17:53




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 Re: Clear coat or not in reply to LumbrJakMan, 01-31-2006 12:23:12  
Wel as far as the amount of thinner with the 2150 and using I H thinner fill the qt. cup almost to the place where it starts to get smaller and add just enough thinner that it will make Bee Bees when ya bang the stick on the can to get the excess off the stick the Bee Bee's will sort of just hang on the top of the pait for a split second . e pre mix in the gallion the 77S hardner about 1/3 can to a gallion and it usualy takes 3 gallion to paint a tractor as with a regular spray gun probably puts half the paint in the air .

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RustyFarmall

01-31-2006 13:06:15




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 Re: Clear coat or not in reply to LumbrJakMan, 01-31-2006 12:23:12  
My paint gun is a cheap Campbell-Hausfeld from the local farm and home. Paid something like $30 for it about 10 years ago. In my opinion a quality paint job has more to do with skill than the brand of gun you use. A high priced gun in the hands of a first timer will most likely NOT yield good results, but an expert can do a very fine job with a cheap gun. Practic painting something that doesn't matter first, when you feel confident, go for the gold.

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the tractor vet

01-31-2006 08:41:56




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 Re: Clear coat or not in reply to SRA, 01-31-2006 08:13:17  
Case I H 2150 red with a shot of 77s dupont hardner layed down in thin coats and add 6 coats the look great as this is only a tractor not a Hemi Road Runner and it is going to get scratched and dinged and dirty and i don't care how well you think you got all the leaks stopped it's going to leak or you will spill gas on the tank or what ever .So why do you want to spend 300 bucks a galion on paint .

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RustyFarmall

01-31-2006 11:39:17




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 Re: Clear coat or not in reply to the tractor vet, 01-31-2006 08:41:56  
Case-IH 2150 straight out of the can, thinned just enough so it will spray. NO hardener of any kind. Very good results.



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the tractor vet

01-31-2006 14:10:45




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 Re: Clear coat or not in reply to RustyFarmall, 01-31-2006 11:39:17  
BTDT but the 77S will add the shine and makes the paint last longer and maintain the shine of a wet paint . this is how a buddy of mine has painted tractors for over twenty years and has had more of his work in showes and calanders and trading cards . but don't ask him to paint a car or truck .



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