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CRACKED A SLEEVE!!! NEED HELP PLEASE!!!

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Booe

02-04-2006 18:55:04




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i am putting my m engine back together. i put new everything in it and i got to my second sleeve to install. yeah... well i got it in over 3/4 of the way with a 2x4 piece of wood and a hammer and then it busted a chunk off. So my delima is now where can i get an individual sleeve? and does anyone have any secrets or tips to installing these things? i put them in a deep freezer for about 3 days and i took a pocket torche to the cylinder to warm it up a bit and tried but its a pain in the @**!! i got one in and it took me about 30 minutes of pounding and moving the wood. is there any other way? can i order a sleeve from my ih dealer? if so anyone have an idea of a price? thanks alot for all your help! couldnt do this tractor restoration without u guys!

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Roger46

02-06-2006 19:38:41




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 Re: CRACKED A SLEEVE!!! NEED HELP PLEASE!!! in reply to Booe, 02-04-2006 18:55:04  
Speed is critical to installing sleeves after having them in the freezer. If you don't slip them in in a manner of seconds it is too late, because as soon as they contact the cylinder wall they warm up quickly. The dry ice in the sleeve described below is the only exception, but you probably still need to do it quickly as in that case the cylinder wall will start to cool down. On my first dry sleeve overhaul back when I was in high school (many years ago) on my dad's Super H I broke one of the sleeves putting it in using the wooden block technique. I had failed to meticulusly clean the sleeve and cylinder bore so the sleeve was hanging up on the rust inhibitor on the sleeve. Roger

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sgtbbull

02-05-2006 12:50:52




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 Re: CRACKED A SLEEVE!!! NEED HELP PLEASE!!! in reply to Booe, 02-04-2006 18:55:04  
I made a po' boy sleeve press by using a small jack, a steel plate, two pieces of 3/4 by 1 steel about 30" long, two pieces of chain, and a bolt.
1 notch one of the 3/4 by 1 inch pieces of steel on each end to accept the chain you are using
2 notch one end of the other 3/4 by 1 and drill a hole in the other to accept a bolt that will fit through your chain.
3 get a piece of 1/2 in plate that will just cover your sleeve completely.

NOW... prelube the bore, and freeze the sleeve in a manner that works for you....dry ice is great if you can get it....start the sleeve, place the plate on top of the sleeve, and the jack on top of the plate. NOW, get all your kids, or neighbors, or, as a last resort, your wife, 'cause you'll need extra hands.... Place the double notched bar on top of the jack, centered and balanced. Hang chain from each end of the top bar, and put one chain in the notch on the other bar which will go under the block. Put the bolt through the other chain end, and adjust its length w/ a nut to make the bars parallel...

NOW, with your mouth held just right, and everybody's fingers out of the way, use the jack to press the sleeve right in.... works like a charm. DID I mention you should get it all set up BEFORE you take the sleeve out of the freezer??? If I didn't i'm sure you'd figure that out pretty quick... good luck...

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gene bender

02-05-2006 00:52:26




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 Re: CRACKED A SLEEVE!!! NEED HELP PLEASE!!! in reply to Booe, 02-04-2006 18:55:04  
Did you try the people where you got the set to see if they would sell another sleeve. Have you used a mike to see if the new ones are in correct measurements to fit. What did you use for lubrication. What is the temp in the shop. You can always use a heat lamp to keep block warm i assume your shop is heated.



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Keith-OR

02-04-2006 21:59:48




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 Re: CRACKED A SLEEVE!!! NEED HELP PLEASE!!! in reply to Booe, 02-04-2006 18:55:04  
Booe, if you have access to dry ice, find a piece of 1 inch thick styro foam, cut 2 circles a bit large than your sleeves. Put one in the bottom use clear silicone to hold it in, fill your sleeve with dry ice, put the other piece in the top of the sleeve, to keep dry ice in as you install your sleeve. The problem with your method is that the block has a larger mass than your sleeve,which in a very short time the sleeve bought to the same temp as your block. With sleeve filled with dry ice it will maintain the cold temp to allow you to install without too much hammering.

I've had sleeves just slide in using this method.

Remember the styro foam circle need large enough so you have to force them into your sleeves. HTH

Keith & Shawn

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MN Scott

02-04-2006 20:19:52




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 Re: CRACKED A SLEEVE!!! NEED HELP PLEASE!!! in reply to Booe, 02-04-2006 18:55:04  
A&I aftermarket sells individal sleeves for most engines but make sure you do as the vet says and do some measuring and some fitting if needed.



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the tractor vet

02-04-2006 19:46:46




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 Re: CRACKED A SLEEVE!!! NEED HELP PLEASE!!! in reply to Booe, 02-04-2006 18:55:04  
Yep i have been waiting for this Driving sleeves in is not the way it should be done and yea i know but i have done it this way for years . Well not only do stand a chance of this happening but you also wrinkel them you may not see it but if ya used a bore gauge it would show ya. The way is to press or pull them in but not before ya check the bore that it is going into with here again a BORE GAUGE from the top to the bottom and also using and inside mic. and also micing the outsides of the sleeves as they are not as close as you may think so one sleeve may be bigger and you may have one hole just a weeeee bit smaller . So now either you will have to go to Case I H and get just one sleeve or go to like NAPA and get just one sleeve kit and have and extra piston and ring set .

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Booe

02-04-2006 21:29:03




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 Re: CRACKED A SLEEVE!!! NEED HELP PLEASE!!! in reply to the tractor vet, 02-04-2006 19:46:46  
what do you think if i made 2 plates. one for the top of the cylinder and one for the bottum and a piece of all-thread down the center of them and a nut on each end. and then i can just tighten down the top and the sleeve would pull itself into the cylinder. good idea or bad? thanks for your help!



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John M

02-05-2006 06:55:30




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 Re: CRACKED A SLEEVE!!! NEED HELP PLEASE!!! in reply to Booe, 02-04-2006 21:29:03  
Last tractor I put sleeves in thats pretty much what I did,except Ihad my brother, who is a machinist,make me a tapered "plug" for the top of the sleeve.At the time I was unsure if the bottom of the sleeve would go past the cylinder wall so my bottom peice of the set straddled the bottom of the block where the oil pan mounts with a couple of peices of hard rubber between the peice and the bottom of the block to prevent scarring the oil pan gasket surface.Now,call it laziness or whatever,I let my local engine shop guy do it.he has the proper tools to do it right and if by chance HE breaks one,then he has to pay for it!

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JakeF

02-04-2006 20:27:43




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 Re: CRACKED A SLEEVE!!! NEED HELP PLEASE!!! in reply to the tractor vet, 02-04-2006 19:46:46  
You can get the sleave only for about 65.00 from NAPA or your CNH dealer without buying the piston. Jake



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