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early/late D282 differences

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P Backus

02-07-2006 11:30:49




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I have the opportunity to get a (reportedly) good running complete D282 that I would put in my 706D, which currently has a dead D282 (needing an overhaul). The thing is the running one comes from a 560, which would be the earlier engine with the light press fit sleeves. The 706 has the later 282. Are there other differences or weaknesses in the early engine? Did they have more head trouble, or gasket/deck or sleeve trouble? The 560 engine is also 12 hp less, right? How do I tweak it to 706 rated hp.? Would I be better off just rebuilding my D282, that way you know what you have when you"re done? Mine will need pump and injector work too, but I already have the motor apart, so we are along the path to rebuilding anyway.
Any thoughts? Just putting a running engine in would be cheaper and easier, but..... ..?
Paul

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JakeF

02-08-2006 08:59:59




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 Re: early/late D282 differences in reply to P Backus, 02-07-2006 11:30:49  
I've only been in three of the light fit D282's but all of them have had at least two cracked sleaves. I'd be surprised if the one your looking at doesn't have cracked sleaves also. On the other hand dad pulls a 660 that's turboed and is over 150hp with the light sleave block, and it's probably got some cracked also but runs real good at 3000rpm so far. When we open her up we'll make it a 301, or more. Jake

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P Backus

02-09-2006 11:01:15




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 Re: early/late D282 differences in reply to JakeF, 02-08-2006 08:59:59  
Hi Jake, how is it?
So are the heavy press engines better at not cracking sleeves? It"s a pretty bad track record to have 3 for 3 engines with cracked sleeves. Of course you are probably in the engines because they had troubles anyway.
So how does that 660 do at pulls? Must sound nice.
The Magnum is all tucked in the shed- won"t know if I got the problem fixed or not "til spring work starts. Have you ever messed with the brakes on those? I can"t seem to get the problem fixed. Next thing I"m going to do is adjust the pedal height and spool height in the master cylinder.
Paul

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JakeF

02-09-2006 21:02:12




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 Re: early/late D282 differences in reply to P Backus, 02-09-2006 11:01:15  
The heavy fit don't seem to crack...or not nearly as much. 660 does real well in 8K & 9K classes. This is the lasy year they'll let him run the turbo though. Brakes on the Magnum?? If it's the Mag brakes I'm guessing they are sticking on. Pop the hood open and have someone apply them while you blow the dirt out from the recess in the firewall. It gets packed in there pretty good and sets up with a little moisture cusing them to drag.

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P Backus

02-10-2006 07:26:51




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 Re: early/late D282 differences in reply to JakeF, 02-09-2006 21:02:12  
I should have clarified on the brakes. They work fine, but are very slow to come on. You have to anticipate and apply them 4or 5 seconds before you need them. The recess in the firewall is clean as a lick, since that"s been suggested before and I"ve blown it out before too. I replaced the check valve in the input line since the old one didn"t check in either direction. They seem better, but still take a while. I haven"t bled them, do you think that could cause the problem?
Paul

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JakeF

02-10-2006 21:16:14




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 Re: early/late D282 differences in reply to P Backus, 02-10-2006 07:26:51  
You're getting air in the system somewhere and it's taking a bunch of fluid to apply them and thats why they are so slow. I would guess you have a bad seal on a piston if they are still slow after the check valve.



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K.B.-826

02-07-2006 16:34:36




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 Re: early/late D282 differences in reply to P Backus, 02-07-2006 11:30:49  
Not sure exactly when they went to the press-fit sleeves, but I'm sure some 706's had the loose fitting sleeves. Yes, the engines with loose-fit sleeves do have problems, mostly cracking sleeves. I would suggest rebuilding the one you've got, especially if the head is good. Doubt just replacing it with the 560 engine will be cheaper in the long run, as you don't know what kind of shape it is in until you get it under load. 706's extra horsepower came from running at a rated speed of 2400 RPM instead of the 560's 1800 RPM. That extra speed could quickly destroy an already tired 560 engine.

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P Backus

02-08-2006 03:35:22




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 Re: early/late D282 differences in reply to K.B.-826, 02-07-2006 16:34:36  
Yes, some of the 706"s had the light press sleeves, but mine just happens to be over the serial # break. I really appreciate all the input from everyone. It was just what I was looking for. I didn"t know that the 706 got it"s extra hp from additional rpm. Makes sense though.
Thanks again.
Paul



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Hugh MacKay

02-08-2006 08:00:26




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 Re: early/late D282 differences in reply to P Backus, 02-08-2006 03:35:22  
Paul: Remember me, and what I told you. Those old glow plug engines are now 40 years old.



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El Toro

02-07-2006 13:57:50




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 Re: early/late D282 differences in reply to P Backus, 02-07-2006 11:30:49  
I would rebuild the engine you have apart and then you'll know what you have. Hal



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chadd

02-07-2006 12:34:54




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 Re: early/late D282 differences in reply to P Backus, 02-07-2006 11:30:49  
Well, it would depend on how much I trust the person who I am getting the good motor from. It would be a shame to do the motor swap and afterwards find out that something wasn't right and have to rebuild it too. As to the differences between them, someone else is going to have to help you there.



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Janicholson

02-07-2006 13:15:58




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 Re: early/late D282 differences in reply to chadd, 02-07-2006 12:34:54  
Chadd has a point, if I were doing it I would ask for a 30 day warrantee which specified 30+lbs of oil pressure when warm, moderate to little oil consumption, clean operation, no abnormal knocking, and good power. The remedy would be to return the engine for the full amount, or a proportional return if accepted to keep with noted problems. YOur investment would be the labor, if the engine was shot.
Just my 1800$,
JimN

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