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Note for Old Dutch 656 ring gear

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Yellott Canby

02-11-2006 09:50:19

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Hello, I tried the idea about the washers. It stopped the grinding problem right off but the starter still hangs in the ring gear. I think I am closer than I was to the problem. Was wondering if the angle could be a problem when shiming just on ear of the starter. What do you think about moving the whole starter out from the ring gear. To do it would mean grinding some off of the outter lip of the starter and making the bolt holes bigger. Would think an 1/8th inch would do it. I better see about how common the starter nose is before I end up ruining mine. Thanks YC

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Old Dutch

02-11-2006 20:13:55

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Re: Note for Old Dutch 656 ring gear in reply to Yellott Canby, 02-11-2006 09:50:19

Yellott: If the shimming helped as far as the grinding noise we know that was part of the problem. Shouldn't be binding and staying engaged anymore as you have shifted that point. The hanging in seems to indicate either a sprung starter armature shaft, or damaged splines on the armature shaft, or drive. Maybe both. I would remove the starter and try it on the bench and see if it is moving in and out the way it should by activating it with a battery. Make sure it is clamped so it stays put. Their is a fairly heavy spring that moves the drive back when not engaged. Maybe broken, or the actuating fork that moves the drive ahead could be binding. Sorry I didn't get back to you sooner. Been a busy day running.

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Yellott Canby

02-12-2006 10:25:02

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Re: Note for Old Dutch 656 ring gear in reply to Old Dutch, 02-11-2006 20:13:55

Hello, I believe the starter is good, it has a brand new drive in it as I just had it rebuilt by a decent rebuilder here in town before putting it back together. The old bendix gear had been ruined by years of grinding. I don't know if it has the sraight or twisted splines as you mentioned, but will find out what kind of drive he put into it. The teeth on the bendix gear are straight with a slight bevel on the businees end. It has 9 teeth.
Was going to go out this afternoon and shave enough of the centering ring to move it out slightly but , perhaps will wait until tomorrow and see what kind of drive was put in it. Getting to need her back in service fairly soon.
Thanks for all your help. Will keep you posted. YC

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Janicholson

02-11-2006 10:19:43

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Re: Note for Old Dutch 656 ring gear in reply to Yellott Canby, 02-11-2006 09:50:19

Dear Yellott,
My Idea From past posts might solve the issue without grinding the starter.

Look to be sure that the starter has no centering ring (machined surface at the mounting hole. If it does, neither way will work.=, and grinding the ID of the starter hole is not advised. Grinding (or lathe turning the starter nose would be better.

If the location of the starter is primarily the bolts, put the starter in the hole and tighten it in without shims. Mark the bolt head, that is easiest to get to, with an arrow pointing directly away from the flywheel. Remove this bolt and grind 1/3 of the shank of the bolt away so it is reduced in diameter only on the side where the arrow is pointing, and only from the head of the bolt to the depth of the starter flange. This will allow the starter to be mounted flat, and be moved away from the ring gear by about 1/16". That should make the tooth clearance happy.
JimN

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Yellott Canby

02-11-2006 10:31:11

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Re: Note for Old Dutch 656 ring gear in reply to Janicholson, 02-11-2006 10:19:43

Hi Jim,
The starter does have a centering ring,which in order to move it out would have to ground some on the outward side. I like your idea about the bolts. Could use grade 8 bolts an grind the shank down on the side that needs to move. Wouldn't have to alter the starter much to try it.
Thanks YC

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