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Converting to two way hydraulics

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NSC

02-14-2006 06:22:21




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I want to convert my M to have two way hydraulics. I have found a good pump and valve for roughly $350. One, is that a good price. Two, how do I do the conversion. I have heard you have to remove the current pump from the tractor, make some hosing or piping of your own, and possibly a mounting bracket for the pump. This one already has a flange on it that is slightly slotted to allow for adjustment. I am basically researching what I need to do to convert it, and how it will be to accomplish that, and if the valve and pump are all I will need.

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P Backus

02-14-2006 15:18:41




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 Re: Converting to two way hydraulics in reply to NSC, 02-14-2006 06:22:21  
As captaink said, you don"t need a different pump to have two way hydraulics. It is a lot less hassle just using the belly pump and replumbing the system with a two way valve. That way you aren"t having to build/add a resevoir or worry about the cam gear. However, they won"t be live hyds.
All depends on what you really want..... ...
Paul



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Nat 2

02-14-2006 10:06:25




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 Re: Converting to two way hydraulics in reply to NSC, 02-14-2006 06:22:21  
What kind of pump is it?

The stock IH distributor drive pump will not fit an M made before 1950 unless you swap out the front engine cover and the timing gears.

M&W made a similar pump that fits the older tractors, but they're rare and hard to find.

Plumbing is easy. You need the pump, a reservoir, and OPEN CENTER control valve with pressure relief. Many people use the stock belly pump for a reservoir, others add an external tank.

Basic plumbing:
1. Run a hose from the pressure OUT of the pump to the IN on the valve.
2. Run a hose from the OUT on the valve to the IN on the reservoir. This is usually near the top of the tank, and would be the fill pipe on a belly pump.
3. Run a hose from the OUT on the tank to the suction IN of the pump.
4. Run hoses from the two work ports on the valve to quick-disconnect hydraulic couplers, often called "Pioneer couplers" at the rear of the tractor.

That's it. Basic instructions to plumb up a single two-way remote valve...

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Janicholson

02-14-2006 07:04:49




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 Re: Converting to two way hydraulics in reply to NSC, 02-14-2006 06:22:21  
The pump you need fits a stage 2 Super H. If it does (and you have a late H with the same hole spacing on the distributor drive casting you will remove) then all is well. If you have an older H, I think there is fudging needed in the top bolt hole location to adapt the pump. The gears on newer Hs, super Hs are stronger and work with pump loading. Older Hs have gears that have had failures (hub on cam drive, and some tooth failure) Cam drive bolts have different thread rotation for the correct drive, keeping the bolt tight under load.
A resevoir is needed, often the belly pump is taken out of its housing, and the housing used as a res. Good luck, I hope the parts you are considering are the correct ones. The gear thing is important for moderate to normal/heavy use.
JimN

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Janicholson

02-14-2006 07:08:35




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 Re: Converting to two way hydraulics in reply to Janicholson, 02-14-2006 07:04:49  
Sorry about the H stuff, The cam gear parts are correct and the belly pump stuff.
JimN



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captaink

02-14-2006 06:53:16




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 Re: Converting to two way hydraulics in reply to NSC, 02-14-2006 06:22:21  
First of all you can add a valve spool to the stock belly pump to accomplish a dual acting hydraulic system however it won’t be live hydraulics.

Anyway, is this the kind of pump that you have?

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If so you have a couple options. First you can build a tank that will fit in the torque tube where the stock belly pump was like the one in this picture:

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Or you can gut the belly pump and use it for the reservoir. The drain plug can be used as the input to the new pump, and the return can come in through one of the existing ports. You need the valve spool to control the fluid from the pump to the load.

It would be nice if you could get it a bit cheaper, but believe me even at that price if you want to put power steering and or a loader on the tractor it is WELL worth the price! On thing though, I have seen here on the board were there was a change made sometime in 1950 to the M to change the cam gear and front timing cover. These changes allow this pump to bolt right on and not have the cam gear breaking issue that the pre-1950 M’s have been known to have. The one in the picture is a 1950, but the cam gear did break once in it though…

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