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Jim in NC

02-15-2006 04:30:19




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One of the brakes on the SM does not release completely and drags occasionally. It looks to be working properly, just heats up once in awhile. There is no oil on the discs. Other that changing the springs, what other remedies could there be? Thanks for your help.




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Al in VA

02-15-2006 14:33:12




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 Re: Super M disc brakes in reply to Jim in NC, 02-15-2006 04:30:19  
I tried Bob M,s method a couple years ago and I can slide the tires easily. They work perfect.
Bob always gives good advice. Thanks Bob
Al



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Bob M

02-15-2006 05:48:03




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 Re: Super M disc brakes in reply to Jim in NC, 02-15-2006 04:30:19  
First disassemble and THOROUGLY clean all the parts. Pay special attention to:

- The 3 balls and the ramps in the actuating plates the balls run in. All must clean (and the balls be shiny) and rust free.

- Machined surfaces of the reaction lugs on the outer edge of the actuating plate assembly and the mating lug surfaces on the inside the brake cover.

- Brake shaft splines. If there’s any burrs, etc on the splines file them smooth.

- If the rotating disk friction material shows signs of oil/grease contamination, toss ‘em and buy new ones.

- If the friction surfaces on the actuating disk, the inside of the cover and against the tranny have rust, scale, etc. use sandpaper to clean them down to bare metal. Or have a machinist take a light cut on each piece – but just down to bare metal.

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When reassembling the brakes use a LIGHT film of Nevr Seez or similar on the splines and the actuating disk lugs. A bit of powdered graphite or moly powder is good in the ball ramps. And a drop of oil on each pivot point on the actuating assembly. However keep all lubrication to a minimum – you don’t want excess lube getting onto the friction surfaces!

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JRD(VA)

02-15-2006 05:14:13




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 Re: Super M disc brakes in reply to Jim in NC, 02-15-2006 04:30:19  
The balls in between the metal center disc might have flat spots causing it to remain open, also look for wear or dirt and rust on the splines of the shaft and disc.



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Nat 2

02-15-2006 05:14:12




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 Re: Super M disc brakes in reply to Jim in NC, 02-15-2006 04:30:19  
It heats up because it's dragging, not the other way around if that's what you think.

This is a common problem, and I think it mostly has to do with wear in the balls and in the ramps. Dad's Super M has been like this forever; we're just glad the brakes work to slow the tractor down, and pull the pedal back with a heel or toe to release them.

I've heard a lot about having the disks relined with clutch liner or kevlar, and how that makes the brakes work better, but keeps them from being "grabby" and locking up.

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Brownie 45

02-15-2006 05:10:00




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 Re: Super M disc brakes in reply to Jim in NC, 02-15-2006 04:30:19  
There is probably rust/ foreign material in the ball/ ramp/ groove area. take the three springs off of the expander plates[ steel ] &clean them thoroughly. Reassemble & check for rust on splines on lined discs or brake shaft.



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