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Bill Geer

02-18-2006 11:26:07




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info please My dad has a van with a diesel in it. Dang thing will not start[cold] today. I beleve that I read on the form about a heater that could be stuck on the block or oil pan. I tryed to search no luck. any body rember or got some info?
Thanks Bill




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Hugh MacKay

02-18-2006 15:46:38




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 Re: O.T. block heater in reply to Bill Geer, 02-18-2006 11:26:07  
Bill: Here is an idea, but never use it on a gas engine and never use it on a diesel with any oil leaks. Get a cast iron fry pan, fill it with barbeque charcoal. Get it glowing good and place it under the oil pan at about 4". Before you do this add a bit of methyl hydrate to the fuel tank, just in case it is jelling.

If you have been trying to start the diesel some probably you would be well advised to hook jumpers to another vehicle. I did this once with a Chevy 6.2 diesel at -40, I had discovered my block heater cord was bad. About 15 min of this treatment it was like a summer start. BE AWARE OF OIL LEAKS,DON'T DO IT IF YOU HAVE ANY.

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GordoSD

02-19-2006 07:27:20




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 Re: O.T. block heater in reply to Hugh MacKay, 02-18-2006 15:46:38  
But BEFORE using the fry pan full of fire under the pan, be sure and send a copy of your dental records to the county coroner! If the car is inside out of the wind one of those 1500 watt elec heatrs can be stuffed under the hood and aimed at the fuel lines and block. Or 1 1500 watt hair dryer? I use a BIG hair dryer. A Knipco heater on a table, couple of old tin siding for shrouds. Ten minutes with that thing going and the whole tractor engine is warm to the touch. Gordo in SD where the high was 0 yesterday.

Gordo

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Hugh MacKay

02-19-2006 07:56:13




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 Re: O.T. block heater in reply to GordoSD, 02-19-2006 07:27:20  
Gordo: I probably should have said pull the vehicle outside. I figured most folks would have the common sence not to try that in a building. I have started many a diesel that way far from any electricity and I'll grant you never any failures. All you need is a sheet of plywood on the wind side. I repeat NO OIL LEAKS, and never on a gas engine.



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PAULIH300

02-18-2006 14:29:43




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 Re: O.T. block heater in reply to Bill Geer, 02-18-2006 11:26:07  
Being a diesel,there are a number of problems that arise that owners of gasoline powered vehicles rarely or never have to worry about.First of all,diesel fuel starts thickening at 32 degress above zero.If fuel isnt treated with additives (conditioner)it will further thicken and jell as the temperature drops.Instead of ignition starting,diesels use compression (over 20:1 ratios) to fire off their fuel/air mix,this wont work when the engine is stone cold so glow plugs are used to heat the combustion chamber.These are controlled by a "controller" and use relays and switches/sensors to activate the circuit.The glow plugs are resistance heaters,much like your Mr Coffee hot plate.These can overheat and burn out.Water heaters tend to lessen dependance on the glow plugs,but a lot of times they are merely band-aids for an improperly running engine that needs attention in the first place.Diesels because of the high compression,use far heavier starters than gas engines,and thusly use far more current.Usually they utilize 2 batteries for the high current as opposed to one in gas models.These starters live a hard life,as do the batteries,and 1 bad battery or a tired,slow cranking starter can lead to a no-start condition.
Diesels cost more to buy,require more attention from owners,and their parts are more expensive than comparable gas engines.They however make more torque,can last longer,and their internals are rather sturdy.Take the good with the bad,understand that its not your usual "forget about it" slant-6 gas job,learn how diesels work (or dont work),and you might not ever have a diesel related problem down the line....

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Bob

02-18-2006 12:22:56




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 Re: O.T. block heater in reply to Bill Geer, 02-18-2006 11:26:07  
Since you didn't specify the make of the van, I can't give you a part number, so here's a link to Temro's catalogs so you can look it up yourself.

Find the part number for your application, and you can plug it in to Google, and find sellers, or order one through a local auto supply.

Lots of good information there on tractor block and tank heaters, too.



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El Toro

02-18-2006 12:06:38




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 Re: O.T. block heater in reply to Bill Geer, 02-18-2006 11:26:07  
I would give Phillips & Temro a call on Monday for
a coolant heater. Their number is 1-800-328-6108. They may able to give you a distributor
in your area that sells their heaters. They make a big difference starting those diesels.
Hal



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Stickler

02-18-2006 11:58:26




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 Re: O.T. block heater in reply to Bill Geer, 02-18-2006 11:26:07  
you thinking of the little magnetic pan heaters? Ain't gonna do much if it's cold out, they're only like 250 watts. Might work in real warm weather, but not here for sure. It's been -40 here and even two block heaters is just marginal to start a diesel.



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