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MichaelLee

02-20-2006 19:05:27




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I have a 61 Farmall 560 that I have been having hydraulic problems with. I am not able to lift a round bale with the front loader. I started off with 750 psi before replacing the pump. I have now installed a 17gpm pump and new suction tube. I also cleaned and replaced o-ring in the regulator. I am now at 1300psi but will still not lift a 1300 - 1500 pound bale. How can I tell if my lift cylinders are good?

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MichaelLee

02-21-2006 19:44:13




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 Re: Hydraulic problems in reply to MichaelLee, 02-20-2006 19:05:27  
I finally fixed the problem! I shimmed the regulator spring to get a little more pressure and problem fixed. Works flawless now. I agree that this tractor and loader are a little small for the job, but for what little I use it, it fits the bill. Thank you for all the replys! Michael



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Dellbertt

02-21-2006 09:36:52




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 Re: Hydraulic problems in reply to MichaelLee, 02-20-2006 19:05:27  
I agree with jossette, either a pocket of air in system or leak somewhere.



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Dellbertt

02-21-2006 09:36:46




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 Re: Hydraulic problems in reply to MichaelLee, 02-20-2006 19:05:27  
I agree with jossette, either a pocket of air in system or leak somewhere.



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Nat 2

02-21-2006 05:40:58




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 Re: Hydraulic problems in reply to MichaelLee, 02-20-2006 19:05:27  
Dad used to move 1600lb bales of paper with the 560 and an IH 2350 loader, so the tractor is definitely capable. It wasn't the ideal setup, but it filled the bill for several years.

Anyway, observe what's happening when the loader won't lift the bales. Does the tractor strain at all? Can you hear any noises, like a humming or buzzing noise? That means the relief valve is kicking in and letting the fluid blow by inside the tractor.

If you've got 1300PSI at the remotes, the problem may very well lie with leaky cylinders on the loader. The other possibility is that the cylinders are simply not large enough to lift that much weight. A 2" cylinder, for example, can only exert about 4000lbs of force with the oil at 1300PSI, and that's if it's not leaking at all. The hydraulic cylinders on a loader work at a mechanical DISadvantage, meaning it takes much more force to lift a particular weight. They're on an angle, and in between the fulcrum (pivot) and the load (simple lever science). Even two cylinders exerting 4000lbs of force each. may only be able to lift 1000lbs out in the loader bucket.

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Janicholson

02-21-2006 06:29:40




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 Re: Hydraulic problems in reply to Nat 2, 02-21-2006 05:40:58  
With respect, a quick front of the Texas Instrument 85 check of the numbers has about 9.86 sq unches of area on a two inch cylinder. Times the pressure = about 12,800# of force, times 2 for two cylinders = about 25,000#. With very bad cylinder position this might not lift anything, but it would probably bend it.
Something is wrong. Bypassing cylinders or ? One way cylinders with top as resivoir would not show leak to outside.

JimN

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El Toro

02-21-2006 17:58:38




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 Re: Hydraulic problems in reply to Janicholson, 02-21-2006 06:29:40  
I get 8168psi. Hal



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El Toro

02-21-2006 18:00:56




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 Re: Hydraulic problems in reply to El Toro, 02-21-2006 17:58:38  
That would be 8168 lbs of force. Hal



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rumplestiltskin

02-21-2006 06:47:46




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 Are You Sure? in reply to Janicholson, 02-21-2006 06:29:40  

Jim:

I get a different answer. The area of a circle is "pi times (r squared)". In this case, assuming a two-inch cylinder means two inches in diameter, r = diameter/2, so r=1 and r squared =1. So the area is pi times 1, or pi, or roughly 3.14 square inches.

Then again, I could be wrong...Maybe someone "out there" can double-check our work and confirm one or the other.

It looks like maybe you were squaring pi instead of the radius to get your answer.

Mark W.

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Janicholson

02-21-2006 07:05:50




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 Re: Are You Sure? in reply to rumplestiltskin, 02-21-2006 06:47:46  
Yea. brain bad again
JimN



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rumplestiltskin

02-21-2006 09:10:03




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 Re: Are You Sure? in reply to Janicholson, 02-21-2006 07:05:50  

Jim:

Happens to the "best" of us, and in my case I use that term VERY loosely. :)

Mark W.



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IaGary

02-21-2006 04:11:02




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 Re: Hydraulic problems in reply to MichaelLee, 02-20-2006 19:05:27  
Were you ever able to lift that size bale with this loader?

Thats a pretty good load for a 560 and loader.

Maybe the loader was never designed to lift that much.

Just wondering.



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R-cubed

02-20-2006 21:29:50




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 Re: Hydraulic problems in reply to MichaelLee, 02-20-2006 19:05:27  
If it lifts smaller weights then the oil is getting through. You may need bigger diameter cylinders.



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jossette

02-20-2006 19:50:04




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 Re: Hydraulic problems in reply to MichaelLee, 02-20-2006 19:05:27  
leave it in the air with a little weight at night and see if it is down in the morning. They are leaking internally if this happens. Or your couplers might be bad and not letting the oil through



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