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fritzscub

02-21-2006 10:24:16




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im restoring a 51 cub. at this point i have all bare castings and bare sheet metal.needless to say my cub is in a million pieces. i feel i need to paint this tractor apart to keep from having any bare metal and to hit the hard to reach places not to mention staying away from runs.how do i do this and still get the look im after? any i have seen apear to have been painted after assembly.nicely painted nuts and bolts and such.what is the best procedure???

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fritzscub

02-23-2006 08:17:09




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 Re: paint procedure in reply to fritzscub, 02-21-2006 10:24:16  
i appreciate all the input on paint procedures. i think ihave more questions now than before {to many options}. i like the base coat clear coat option. can anyone tell me the correct primer? do you use the same primer on sheet metal and castings? i believe i need sandable primer for sheet metal. any input will be appreciated.i have two c"s,an a, and a b to restore after the cub{all my fathers}i suppose by the time i finish the last one i will know what im doing.

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CNKS

02-23-2006 13:53:03




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 Re: paint procedure in reply to fritzscub, 02-23-2006 08:17:09  
Base-clear uses hardener, don't try it without supplied air, sooner or later the isos will get you. If you don't have supplied air, use epoxy primer on everything (PPG Omni MP 170 is an example, the "hardener" for it does not contain iso's) a sandable primer surfacer over the epoxy on the sheet metal, example is PPG Omni MP 181. If you have supplied air, the situation changes. Ask your questions on the paint and bodywork forum on this site, you will get more complete answers. If you have 3 tractors to do, my advice is to bite the bullet, get a supplied air system and use hardener -- you will be happier with it. I do not agree that automotive paints are for professionals only. Do your homework, read all the procedures, particularly safety, and do it right from day one.

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Dave BN

02-21-2006 16:38:04




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 Re: paint procedure in reply to fritzscub, 02-21-2006 10:24:16  
As stated you can paint most parts while apart and put finish coats on after final assembly. Be careful not to paint parts that need to be a precise fit or need to make metal to metal contact. Starter to torque tube, or instrument to dash for example as some of these use the castings for ground connection. Dave.



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El Toro

02-21-2006 14:27:29




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 Re: paint procedure in reply to fritzscub, 02-21-2006 10:24:16  
Read your email. Hal



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BillyinStoughton

02-21-2006 12:58:12




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 Re: paint procedure in reply to fritzscub, 02-21-2006 10:24:16  
Fot the assembly of nuts and bolts after being painted, you can find hard plastic wrench and socket inserts that won"t damage a fasteners finish when you tighten it. I have used them many times in the past in car restoration projects and they have worked quite well. The boys at Summit Racing can set you up, and they are relatively inexpensive ($30). Give em" a call, (800)230-3030. Hope this helps.

Billy

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the tractor vet

02-21-2006 11:44:40




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 Re: paint procedure in reply to fritzscub, 02-21-2006 10:24:16  
Primer and apply about just enough red to cover the parts some color then put the thing together and don't try to make it shinny on one or two coates they look a lot better with 5-6 lite coates applyed when the last coat starts to tach up and don't get carried away with high dollar paint stock 2150 red will do a fine job and if ya want shinny add a dash of 77 S Dupount hardner but use a good carbon mask it will harden you lungs.

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CNKS

02-21-2006 17:29:05




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 Re: paint procedure in reply to the tractor vet, 02-21-2006 11:44:40  
You will not find a charcoal mask anywhere that is approved for hardener. They do not exist. For hardeners you need a supplied air system. Incorrect advice is going to kill someone someday. Isoncyanates are cumulative. You may (or may not) get by painting several tractors, then on the next one it gets you.



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CNKS

02-21-2006 17:31:56




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 Re: paint procedure in reply to CNKS, 02-21-2006 17:29:05  
Sp --Isocyanates.



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Dave_Id

02-21-2006 11:23:05




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 Re: paint procedure in reply to fritzscub, 02-21-2006 10:24:16  
You can paint the parts, assemble most of it, then give it another coat after assembly to cover any boo boos. This works best if you are using a 2 stage system, and applying a final base coat and the clearcoat after assembly.



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CNKS

02-21-2006 17:38:22




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 Re: paint procedure in reply to Dave_Id, 02-21-2006 11:23:05  
To do that you have to stay in the window for the topcoat -- otherwise you have to sand or scuff the parts first, before the final coat. I just touch up the bolts -- I would consider powder coating the bolts, but I don't know if I could match the color, would probably still get some damage, though.



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