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Farmall H 12 Volt Conversion.

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Bunchs33

03-16-2006 08:54:01




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If you switch a 6 volt H over to a 12 volt H, should you change the 6 volt solenoid over to 12 volt. I have a 12 volt solenoid to put on, but it has 4 terminals and the 6 volt has 3 terminals. Any help would be appreciated.




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bunchs33

03-17-2006 05:19:36




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 Re: Farmall H 12 Volt Conversion. in reply to Bunchs33, 03-16-2006 08:54:01  
My 6 volt system does have a push button start, but it also has one of those Ford type solenoids on it that they had in the 60's and 70's. From what I am reading 6 volt systems did not have a solenoid like that. Basically, I pull out the switch, push the button and and the solenoid engages to start the engine. Is this not original equipment to have this type solenoid. I do not like changing from original, but on cold mornings down in the woods a long way from home, I want to make sure she starts. I appreciate everyones help on this.

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gene bender

03-17-2006 04:45:01




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 Re: Farmall H 12 Volt Conversion. in reply to Bunchs33, 03-16-2006 08:54:01  
Why do you have a solenoid? I would stay with the 6v and keep it original as there seems to be someone on this site updating to 12v and is all messed up. Thes started and ran on 6v since new so why change. Get starter checked out and good 625 amp batt with 1ga cables and presto you are in good shape.



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jossette

03-16-2006 15:07:20




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 Re: Farmall H 12 Volt Conversion. in reply to Bunchs33, 03-16-2006 08:54:01  
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P Backus

03-16-2006 15:03:37




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 Re: Farmall H 12 Volt Conversion. in reply to Bunchs33, 03-16-2006 08:54:01  
Why go through all that trouble? The original system is so simple, having no solenoid to worry about, and any 6 volt battery can wheel over that 152 cu.in. motor easily, in any weather.
Sorry, I just kind of like my 6 volt systems. It"s been working fine for 57 years in my H and I don"t have to try to jam a Delco 10SI under the hood.
Just my rant! Don"t take offense.
Paul



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John T

03-16-2006 10:56:01




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 Re: Farmall H 12 Volt Conversion. in reply to Bunchs33, 03-16-2006 08:54:01  
Bunchs, Just sitting here and from what you say I cant be sure if you really mean an "electric solenoid" or a mechanical start switch (which normally has only 1 big external post where a battery cable attaches (the other underneath the switch and possibly a small one out the side) but will proceed based on you actually having and asking about an electric solenoid.

Its best at 12 volts to use a solenoid with a 12 volt rated coil. Otherwise, she may overcurrent and overheat, but could work a long time fine depending on how long its activated and its design.

Now, you ask about 3 or 4 terminals. On many older solenoids, ESPECIALLY the 6 volt units, they had the big in (from battery) and out (to starter) terminals plus a single small terminal possibly labeled S or possibly no label. Thats the activation terminal which leads to a push to start or a start switch which is HOT to operate the solenoid when in the START position.

On many 4 terminal solenoids ESPECIALLY the older Ford types mounted up near the battery, they had the 2 big in n out posts plus 2 small terminals labeled S and I. If you have one of those, the S is the activation terminal which wires to the start switch to operate the solenoid while, the I Ignition terminal is hot ONOLY when cranking and can be used to by pass an ignition ballast if the auto or truck or tractor had one. If you have no ballast then you just use the S terminal.

An electric solenoid has to have a starter with a drive gear (Bendix) that engages into the flywheel (mechanically or electrically) when she cranks, while many mechanical activated starter drive gear mechanisms use the lever action to push the drive gear into place and then the electrical switch closes to spin the starter motor and engine. Im just not sure what you have there so I cant fully give you an answer, sorry.

John T

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Bob M

03-16-2006 10:06:59




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 Re: Farmall H 12 Volt Conversion. in reply to Bunchs33, 03-16-2006 08:54:01  
Like Jim notes below, none the original H tractors used a solenoid in the starter circuit. Rather a mechanical pushbutton starter switch - whose location varied somewhat over the years - is used. However it's not unusual to find an H with a solenoid added later (mine has one...)

If yours indeed does have a 6 volt solenoid, it's good idea to replace it with a 12 volt. (Feeding 12 volts into a 6 volt solenoid may cause it to overheat and/or bang itself to death internally)

When wiring the solenoid up, simply connect the wire from the starter pushbutton to the solenoid "S" terminal.

You can leave the solenoid "I" terminal empty. It is provided on some 12 volt systems to bypass the ballast resistor and increase voltage to the coil while cranking. However it's really only needed on older (60's era) cars with high compression V8 engine. My experience is the ballast coil bypass is completely unnecessary on low compression tractor motors...

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Janicholson

03-16-2006 09:36:05




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 Re: Farmall H 12 Volt Conversion. in reply to Bunchs33, 03-16-2006 08:54:01  
Hs have various starter mechanisms. None (to my knowledge) came with a solenoid. If you hav a push button start, or a key start system, here is your answer. Change to a 12 volt with 4 terminals. looking from top down with the terminal end of the device away from you, put the battery cable connection, and the power wire to the amp gauge, on the left terminal. The next terminal is probably a small one labeled S this gets the wire from the key or push button to start the tractor. The next terminal is probably labeled I it is to be connected to the coil side of a ballast resistor (if your coil is designed to ues one, or you are using the 6v coil which needs the ballast resistor Mid 60s chev, or chrysler will work).
If your 12v coil is labeled "no external resistor required" then leave this terminal naked. If you have a ballast resistor, or are going to use one, the wire from the Key or "on off" sw that powers the coil should hook to the other side (non-coil side) of the ballast resistor)
The purpose of the I terminal is to bypass the resistor when starting to allow for voltage drop from the starter, giving a hotter spark at cranking. Good luck I hope it helps,
JimN

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CHRISCO

03-16-2006 09:13:58




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 Re: Farmall H 12 Volt Conversion. in reply to Bunchs33, 03-16-2006 08:54:01  
I have done it both way. The four post should have an (A) and (I)on it. I is for ignition or start and A is for accessories. I just put them on I to start. You can leave the 6V solenoid on but you have a good chance to burn it out faster.



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Bob

03-16-2006 09:47:27




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 Re: Farmall H 12 Volt Conversion. in reply to CHRISCO, 03-16-2006 09:13:58  
WRONG!

The most common "4-wire" auto supply starter switch is commonly known as the "Ford fender-mount type".

If this is what you have, "S" is START, and "I" means "ignition resistor bypass".

If you are NOT using a system to bypass the ignition resistor (if used) during cranking, simply connet the "start" pushbutton to the solenoid's "S" terminal, and IGNORE the solenoid's "I" terminal.



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