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Jack-Iowa

03-21-2006 06:21:02

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I was moving logs with a guy that has a super m 54-56 year. And he said the pto and hydraulics were not live I thought that was the reason for the stage 2 super m?
Mine is a 52 and it does not have live as it is just stage 1.
Or am I just missing something?
thanks

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Nat 2

03-21-2006 09:23:29

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Re: Super M live hyd in reply to Jack-Iowa, 03-21-2006 06:21:02

It ain't any newer than a '54, and then only if it's a Louisville, I believe. They were making 400s in '55 and '56, and those had live hydraulics standard. Belly pump wasn't even an option.

What's the serial number?

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chadd

03-21-2006 09:09:04

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Re: Super M live hyd in reply to Jack-Iowa, 03-21-2006 06:21:02

Yes, the hydraulic pump run directly off of the engine through the distributor drive is what makes a "live" hydraulic system "live." Are you saying that his Super M has the hydraulic pump running off of the distributor, but that the hydraulics stop working whenever he hits the clutch? I have no idea what would cause that. However, as someone else mentioned, not all Stage II Super M's got the live hydraulics. Just like everything else IH made, all of the options could be deleted to save money. This means that some Stage II Super M's were still equipped with the bellypump off of the Stage I. Another example of this is that there were actually a small number of Super M-TA's that were not equipped with the TA, and did not have the provision for the live PTO. It was essentially just a longer Stage I Super M. It was however, still called a Super M-TA, it just had a round decal though, and didn't have the wing. Does this clarify anything, or am I completely off base?

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Farmall Bob

03-08-2009 15:36:51

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Re: Plows in reply to georgeky, 03-08-2009 15:01:48

Hi George,

I understand it is a good set-up, and you can use a 16" plow. It would be hard to use (2) 16" plows in ground that hasn't been turned over in (20) years with my Farmall C/Super C as I believe the rating is (2) 14" plows? Though (2) 14" plows would be great also if it was the NO. 39 "roll-over".

"OK" What or where can I purchase a C-294/C-295 Plows? Are they a pull behind and are they a roll-over? Thank you, any help is much appreciated.

Bob

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Dave H (MI)

03-07-2009 16:59:20

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Re: IHC diesel in reply to Alwaysafarmer, 03-07-2009 14:09:08

Yes, heads were prone to cracking if they were not operated per instructions...I have heard it was the shutdown procedure that was most important but then again I have had others tell me different. I have one of these in my small collection and have done a little research on operation. Mine needs service and I have put it off a little too long now. There is a lever you operate to switch it to diesel and, if memory serves me, this closes off the plugs and changes it around so it will combust diesel under pressure. That is the best I can tell you and I would definitely recommend that you do a search for more and better info. These engines are very interesting. If you stand on the right side of the tractor you are looking at a gasoline engine setup. Move to the left side and it looks like a diesel. Do the recommended search.

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billde

03-21-2006 07:03:27

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Re: Super M live hyd in reply to Jack-Iowa, 03-21-2006 06:21:02

Did you happen to see where his battery was located? Should be under the seat. Unless the hyd pump is located ahead of the distributor it is not live, it would be using the belly pump same as yours. easy conversion to make it live and well worth the money and effort.

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Bob M

03-21-2006 06:26:23

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Re: Super M live hyd in reply to Jack-Iowa, 03-21-2006 06:21:02

The live hydraulics were considered an "option" for the stage II SM's. However I believe most stage II's came from the factory with live hydraulics. So perhaps live hyd's more properly should have been considered a "delete option"?

Incidentally the stage II did not have a live PTO, standard or option.

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Jack-Iowa

03-21-2006 06:43:44

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Re: Super M live hyd in reply to Bob M, 03-21-2006 06:26:23

Is there a lever or something you throw to keep it live or it just is?
step on clutch and hydrauics do not work. Maybe he has other prolems .
Has like a manure trip bucket on it and it will sure lift the weight but only with clutch out.
thanks

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Harley

03-21-2006 08:10:13

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Re: Super M live hyd in reply to Jack-Iowa, 03-21-2006 06:43:44

If you step on the clutch and the hydraulics quit, it is not live hydraulics. There is nothing wrong with it, that's just the way it came out. The hydraulic pump is in the belly of the tractor and is not live. Harley

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jack-Iowa

03-21-2006 08:14:09

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Re: Super M live hyd in reply to Harley, 03-21-2006 08:10:13

so even with the hydraulics off the distributor is is not always a live hrdraulics? I thought that that was what made them live.
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Nat 2

03-21-2006 09:26:59

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Re: Super M live hyd in reply to jack-Iowa, 03-21-2006 08:14:09

If the hydraulics stop when he steps on the clutch, then they aren't being driven by the distributor. Period, end of discussion.

Unless, the engine also stops when he steps on the clutch. If that's the case, he has bigger problems than live or non-live hydraulics.

If this tractor does have the distributor pump, I suspect that it has BOTH the distributor pump AND the belly pump, and your friend is running the loader off the belly pump. He needs to replumb his system.

It was common for farmers to add the live hydraulics to late Ms and early Super Ms that originally came with belly pumps. If it's not plumbed up properly, then it won't work properly.

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