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SUPER A1

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wkfarmall

03-24-2006 12:13:10




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Was the format for the Super A1 farmall different from the regular super A and how many Super A1's were produced




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wkfarmall

03-24-2006 14:30:21




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 Re: SUPER A1 in reply to wkfarmall, 03-24-2006 12:13:10  
Thanks for the info. Keep it coming, love to talk tractors. We were in the process of restoring my super a when we realized the bore was 3-3/16 as opposed to the standard 3 in bore. I knew it was a 1954 but did not know until I started ordering parts that it was the A1



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stan2270

03-24-2006 17:56:21




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 Re: SUPER A1 in reply to wkfarmall, 03-24-2006 14:30:21  
Hugh and Chadd pretty much nailed it. The quick way to tell the difference is that the SA-1 has a 2 inch gap between the fuel tank and the top of the touch control reservoir whereas the SA's tank is flush with the reservoir. If anyone on this forum would like to see a pic of an SA-1 please e-mail me. I have not yet figured out how to post pic's. Cheers



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Hugh MacKay

03-24-2006 13:33:39




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 Re: SUPER A1 in reply to wkfarmall, 03-24-2006 12:13:10  
WK: Super A1 only 1,957 of them were ever built, starting with serial number 356001 through to 357958. It all happened at the end of Super A prodiction in 1954. They are basically a Farmall 100 power train with Super A sheet metal. C-123 engine with water pump was about the only upgrade that happened exactly at model change. There were brake, hydraulic, gear, clutch, etc. changes near that time as well but none of them coinsided exactly with model change. 1954 started the year at serial number 353348, thus there were 2,653 regular Super A built in 1954. They are quite rare in the Farmall world.

The C-123 engine does not have the same specs as Super C, 200 and 230. Carburation, rpm and compression ratio give these 3-5 more hp.

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RustyFarmall

03-24-2006 14:04:35




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 Re: SUPER A1 in reply to Hugh MacKay, 03-24-2006 13:33:39  
I just learned something here. I have seen similar discussions, but always thought they were referring to a super A industrial. Never knew there was such thing as a Farmall super A one.



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Hugh MacKay

03-24-2006 14:58:25




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 Re: SUPER A1 in reply to RustyFarmall, 03-24-2006 14:04:35  
Rusty: Yes folks often confuse the two. Super IA and Super A1. Super IA or Industrial were built during the entire Super A protuction run. I think those all would have been decaled International Super A.

The Super A1, I expect could have also had an industrial version, decaled International Super A1. Then of course the Farmall Super A1. Another fact with these, unlike the regular Super A the serial number tag was on the left side of clutch housing. This is the same format for serial tag as 100, 130 and 140. Super A had it on left seat support. This would lead one to believe an industrial would read IA1.

I have never seen a Super A1 or IA1. I do have a photo on file of a Farmall Super A1 and it has A1 on the decal, with the word "super" curved around it just like the regular Super A. The guy who sent me this photo said he took it at RPR last summer.

I remember very clearly when the 100, 200, 300 and 400 hit the market. IH clearly wanted it happen all the same month, maybe even week or day. This new line of tractor were going all be available with fast hitch we had been seeing on Super C then close to 3 years. If you look at SC and 200 specs, practically identical. It explains the Super A1, also the Super MTA and how we almost had a Super HTA. This was afterall the biggest hoopla around IH dealers since the introduction of the letter series styling in 1939.

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CNKS

03-24-2006 17:13:01




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 Re: SUPER A1 in reply to Hugh MacKay, 03-24-2006 14:58:25  
Hugh, I haven't seen a Super A1 either, or a picture of one. However, Guy Fay says in his letter series book that the decal was not changed. Apparantly IH didn't advertise it's arrival. This is only speculation, but since only 1672 were built, perhaps IH was not quite ready to introduce the hundred series, but for whatever reason started assembly of the 100 with Super A sheet metal.



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Hugh MacKay

03-24-2006 18:22:03




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 Re: SUPER A1 in reply to CNKS, 03-24-2006 17:13:01  
CNKS: As a then young lad going to the fall fair in my hometown in the fall of 1952, IH had an exhibit of new tractors and equipment. Among this was a Super C with fast hitch and 4 implements; mower, plow, rear blade and platform carrier. This was a forerunner of a new line of tractor soon to come. In the fall of 1954 these new 00 series were introduced. I remember going with my dad to an unveiling of the new lineup at the dealers. Being some 2,000 miles from the IH factories, we had never seen even a glimse of photos of the new line of tractors. My dad said there had not been such promotional activity since 1939. On display that day as I recall were Farmalls Cub, 100, 200, 300, 300 utility and a W-400. Only the Farmall 400 and IH standard 600 were missing. IH seemed quite determined to make this a big production by introducing the whole lineup on that day.

Quite a contrast to the introduction of the Supers which took close to 5 years to introduce the complete lineup. As early as 1952 IH knew they were loosing ground on the competition. First introduction of fast hitch on Super C, then IPTO and TA on the SMTA. Super A users were calling for better cooling systems, so why not a Super A1. We now know we came very close to having a SHTA. Truth of the matter is they should have came with a utility version of Super C. and both Utility and Farmall SC should have had Live PTO.

H, M and larger tractor users at that time were not looking at mounted equipment, they could have satisfied that market with IPTO and TA. In our area those users never did go mounted equipment until 04-06 series with 3 point hitch.

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CNKS

03-24-2006 20:17:05




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 Re: SUPER A1 in reply to Hugh MacKay, 03-24-2006 18:22:03  
"H, M and larger tractor users at that time were not looking at mounted equipment, they could have satisfied that market with IPTO and TA" My dad was a vegetable farmer. We had an H with a HM 150 semi mounted 3 disk plow. A real pain to install and remove -- thus it stayed on until we were done with it, although many times we needed the tractor for something else. We also had front and rear mount cultivators. We sometimes used the rear mount cultivator as a drawbar (not recommended), rather than remove it and have to reinstall it a short while later. In the mid 50's we added a used Ford 8N. Implements were easy to interchange, otherwise that was a lousy tractor for our purposes, very hard to culitvate with that silly rear mount cultivator, compared to the front mount Farmall ones. We didn't have use for a PTO, but we sure could have used a TA at times. For tillage, that H was fully loaded.

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Hugh MacKay

03-25-2006 02:59:08




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 Re: SUPER A1 in reply to CNKS, 03-24-2006 20:17:05  
CNKS: I can very much understand you dad's situation, those old letter series mounted implements were a pain in the butt. However I think IH was following customer demand when they introduced the Super C fast hitch close to 3 years ahead of the other models. Those were the customers looking for mounted equipment in volume, and that Super C was exactly what IH needed in a utility version to compete with Fergie and Ford.

I know in our area all row crop work at that time was being done by Cubs, A, SA, C or SC. I know on our own farm we never had any mounted equipment for our H or 300. I did buy a 3 point kit for 560 but only to use a 3 point sprayer and corn planter. Now, ours was a dairy farm, but my dad always grew a few vegetable crops and use Cub and later 130 for that work.

Even after the 300 and 400 came out, fast hitch never did catch on in our area for any of the 2 point large fork tractors. Those guys were using trailer plows, disks, cultivators, etc. and never did change their equipment until the early 1960s. By then fast hitch was passe. IH did sell large numbers of Super C, 200 and 230 with fast hitch mowers, plows, planters, row crop cultivators, platform carriers. Most livestock farmers mowed with SA or SC and their descendants until mower conditioners hit the market. Row crop cultivators almost disappeared with the introduction of chemicals.

My guess is on the modern day Cat II or larger with 3 point hitch. That hitch probably represents 10% of the cost of the tractor, and other than semi-mounted plows how often are the hitches even used. With no till, very little.

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chadd

03-24-2006 13:12:12




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 Re: SUPER A1 in reply to wkfarmall, 03-24-2006 12:13:10  
I think a Super A-1 is a beefed up A chassis with a Farmall Super C motor installed. It had a higher hood, a larger radiator, taller grille, induction hardened gears in the rear end, a water pump instead of thermosyphon, and a few other refinements. I don't believe that they are super rare, but they are a LOT more rare than the A. I think that they were only made for 1 year or so (1954?). I am sure someone will correct me if I am wrong, as this info is from memory, and may not be accurate.

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