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Lance R.

03-28-2006 19:48:44

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I used Roundup burn down last fall on an old depleted sod field and plowed it about a month later. I had the soil tested and boy does it need a lot of fertilizer! The ground is all worked and looks great. I'm going to roll it first and then have the local elevator use their Ro-gator to air apply the fertilizer, alfalfa, orchard grass and rye mix all in one trip and then run the roller one more time. I'm planning on 15# alfalfa, 5# orchard grass and 5# annual rye grass per acre for my sheep. Is this about the right mix? Any better ideas?

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GordoSD

03-30-2006 07:26:19

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Re: O.T. How thick to plant Alfalfa, orchard gras in reply to Lance R., 03-28-2006 19:48:44

I put in some alfalfa/orchard grass last spring. Had good luck with plowing, then double/triple discing. Then waiting til the weeds started to emerge and then roundup and used the cultipacker on the same pass. This was in SD. I think you are a little high on the grasses, and wondering if the rye will get going as change from cool to warm affect it a lot. 15/3 was what we planted using brillion drill. But it sure looks god in a couple of places where we made two passes! The deer and pheasants both LOVE the hell out of it!

Gordo

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Darald Marin

03-29-2006 21:04:21

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Re: O.T. How thick to plant Alfalfa, orchard gras in reply to Lance R., 03-28-2006 19:48:44

How much Roundup did you put down and what stage was the alfalfa. I have only been able to get about a 85% kill with 2 litres in the spring with excellent growing conditions. Thanks Darald

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Lance R.

03-29-2006 21:36:38

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Re: O.T. How thick to plant Alfalfa, orchard gras in reply to Darald Marin, 03-29-2006 21:04:21

You know I just can't remember the exact amount off hand but I remember using a little bit more than what was recomended on the container. Everything looked dead before I plowed it a month later. It did plow very hard and I had to use first gear on my 560D to pull a 4x14" at 8" deep and I have a very strong 560. Second gear was just too hard on the engine. Since I had to go so slow the plow didn't cover very well and I had to disk it last fall after I plowed it just to cover the residue. This stuff hadn't been plowed in 40 years. It looks real nice this Spring.

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Hugh MacKay

03-29-2006 04:28:24

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Re: O.T. How thick to plant Alfalfa, orchard gras in reply to Lance R., 03-28-2006 19:48:44

Lance: I'd go with local ag department's recomendations for your area. After 5 years here at YT, clearly I can see geography is number one when it comes to crop advice. What works well in one area may not work well everywhere.

I'm not suggesting Jim is wrong.

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Lance R.

03-29-2006 16:28:46

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Re: O.T. How thick to plant Alfalfa, orchard gras in reply to Hugh MacKay, 03-29-2006 04:28:24

I ran Jimmy's idea, of 5 extra pounds of alfalfa to the mix, by my ag man today and he said that Jimmy's idea was cheap insurance. So, I'm going with 20#s of alfalfa per acre. They're the ones that told me to wait a month after the roundup application before I plowed the old alfalfa patch. I'll let you know how this all turns out. The land in rent free this year because of all the inputs. Next year I have to do all the work and pay an additional $1.00 per bale. I wanted the rye so I'd have something for hay this year. Should get a good cutting.

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Jimmy King

03-29-2006 08:25:35

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Re: O.T. How thick to plant Alfalfa, orchard gras in reply to Hugh MacKay, 03-29-2006 04:28:24

That is right Hugh, I have a friend that buys hay from S D he says it pays for itself in milk production. I have other friends that have bought Alfalfa from other places, and they also said it has a kick ours doesn't have. The guy Jim buys his from was delivering him a load once, and Jim took him out to see a stand of his Alfalfa that he thought was real good. The man from S D said it's kind of thin isn't it.

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IaGary

03-29-2006 04:22:19

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Re: O.T. How thick to plant Alfalfa, orchard gras in reply to Lance R., 03-28-2006 19:48:44

There may be a reason and I don't know what it is. But if you were going to plow it why did you apply Roundup first.
Rolling over the sod with a plow would have killed it.
Just wondering . Gary

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Retcol

03-29-2006 09:26:29

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Re: O.T. How thick to plant Alfalfa, orchard gras in reply to IaGary, 03-29-2006 04:22:19

I always sprayed round-up in the fall and plowed in the sring. After the round-up was sprayed it plowed so easily and I didn't have to disk because the material just fell apart.

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Hugh MacKay

03-29-2006 05:51:56

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Re: O.T. How thick to plant Alfalfa, orchard gras in reply to IaGary, 03-29-2006 04:22:19

Gary: Roundup application before alfalfa is number one in my books. Getting rid of grasses that propagate by rhyzomes is a must. I quite often applied N, get it growing well, then hit it with roundup and plow it. If you do this one should plow within 2 days of round up application.

If I had a bad grass problem, I may give another shot of N after plowing and if I get green more roundup. The rewards are great if the crop following is going to be alfalfa.

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El Toro

03-29-2006 03:31:25

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Re: O.T. How thick to plant Alfalfa, orchard gras in reply to Lance R., 03-28-2006 19:48:44

You should call the local county farm agent in your area to see what he would recommend. Hal

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Jimmy King

03-29-2006 01:53:34

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Re: O.T. How thick to plant Alfalfa, orchard gras in reply to Lance R., 03-28-2006 19:48:44

That mix would be good, but if I were doing it I would add 5 more lbs Alfalfa

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