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HELP The Plot Sickens

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Allan In NE

04-08-2006 10:13:40




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I know,

It makes absolutely no sense and I'm grasping at straws here.

The last time the tractor "got hot" was when I was discing the other day. It went from center gauge 'normal' to pegged "hot" in the time it took me to turn around at the end of the field. It was okay going into the turn; when I looked down after dropping the disc back in the ground, the gauge was pegged hot.

I stick my head up under the hood this morning from the off-side and this is the first thing I see.

The thermocoupler tube has a 1" section of insulation worn off; the pictures don't show it but the metal on the hood is worn "shiney" and that bare therocouple tube is lying "hard against" the hood.

Even tho it isn't electrical, can I get lucky again?

Allan

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lee

04-08-2006 19:47:40




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 Re: HELP The Plot Sickens in reply to Allan In NE, 04-08-2006 10:13:40  
those work by expansion of a fluid sealed in the large bulb in the water jacket and passing thru the very small internal diameter capillary tube running to the gage. That jacket or insulation over the tube isn't real important. It's mainly to protect the capillary from abrasion and not to thermally insulate it but you probably don't want the tube running against extremely hot parts like an exhaust manifold. Some moderate heating or cooling of the capillary tube itself may occur as the tube traverses from the engine block to the gage but that isn't going to affect operation. You can test the gage by immersing the bulb in a pot of hot water, heat to a known temp ie 180 and see if gage responds accordingly against a known good thermometer

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the tractor vet

04-08-2006 17:20:33




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 Re: HELP The Plot Sickens in reply to Allan In NE, 04-08-2006 10:13:40  
Allen i do not think that is the problem but hey i have been wrong before . Since i can not watch that tractor working or look it over myself Since RED has not bought me that lear jet for service call yet and you are just a tad tofar for the old ranger to run on out i gave ya my ideas , now one thing that i did not say is are you sure that you are not over fueled ???? as it is not rocket sicense on turning up one of them pumps as on farmer over here brough his 756 in one time when we had the JVS dyno down and we Dynoed his 756 and it was sporten 135 poneys he said that they just turned it up a littel so it would pull them 18 foot silage wagons up the one hill he had .

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Maark

04-08-2006 11:54:17




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 Re: HELP The Plot Sickens in reply to Allan In NE, 04-08-2006 10:13:40  
I bet that green tractor you used doesn't have a danged old capillary tube on the temp guage...



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Bob

04-08-2006 11:07:10




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 Terminology in reply to Allan In NE, 04-08-2006 10:13:40  
Lets clear up the terminology...

It's NOT a "thermocoupler". There's no such word. ("Thermocouple" is a word, though".)

What you have on your heat gauge is a CAPILLARY TUBE.



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CRUSADER

04-08-2006 12:24:50




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 Re: Terminology in reply to Bob, 04-08-2006 11:07:10  
Hey Bob,

Are you sure about your comment?

"It's NOT a "thermocoupler". There's no such word. ("Thermocouple" is a word, though".)"

Try telling that to an APG Troop (I'm Weapons) that works the F-16. Yes, I am not sure about a 966, but have worked on numerous 06, 56, 66, and a few 86 series tractors and can tell you that there is a (or what can be called) a thermo-coupler between the exhaust manifold and the muffler. The temperature that I was always concerned about was the water temp.

Jim

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Bob

04-08-2006 12:30:17




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 Re: Terminology in reply to CRUSADER, 04-08-2006 12:24:50  
THERMOCOUPLE:

ther·mo·cou·ple

Pronunciation Key (thûrm-kpl)n.

A thermoelectric device used to measure temperatures accurately, especially one consisting of two dissimilar metals joined so that a potential difference generated between the points of contact is a measure of the temperature difference between the points.


"THERMOCOUPLER":

No entry found for thermocoupler.

Did you mean thermocouple?

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Allan In NE

04-08-2006 11:16:26




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 Re: Terminology in reply to Bob, 04-08-2006 11:07:10  
Yeah, I know.

But ya gotta take into consideration that I'm an old roughshod cowboy type who seldom ever talks to folks in a live situation.

The deer and jackrabbits don't care how I speak. They just acknowledge my comments by turning their backside. :>)

Allan



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Bob

04-08-2006 11:19:38




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 Re: Terminology in reply to Allan In NE, 04-08-2006 11:16:26  
When I first saw the post, I thought you were talking about a thermocouple EGT gauge!



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Allan In NE

04-08-2006 11:24:02




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 Re: Terminology in reply to Bob, 04-08-2006 11:19:38  
LOL!

Naw, it usually takes me 'bout three or four stabs at things to get my point across and then it still comes out wrong. :>)

Allan



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old

04-08-2006 10:34:40




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 Re: HELP The Plot Sickens in reply to Allan In NE, 04-08-2006 10:13:40  
Is that the exhause pipe I see close to where the insulation is off?? If so then that could well be why it pegs when the wind etc are just right



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Allan In NE

04-08-2006 10:44:36




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 Re: HELP The Plot Sickens in reply to old, 04-08-2006 10:34:40  
See?

That's why I hang around you guys. You can understand things I can't. Yes, it runs right around the back side of that danged hot exhaust pipe.

Bless your collective hearts! :>)

Allan



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Allan In NE

04-08-2006 11:11:08




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 Re: HELP The Plot Sickens in reply to Allan In NE, 04-08-2006 10:44:36  
Just thought of something,

That would explain why at times the darned thing would show cooler when I was travelin' "with the wind". At the end of the field, I would turn around and run facing "into the wind" and it would then show hot again.

Totally backaskwards to what a fella would think.

Thanks again,

Allan



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old

04-08-2006 12:03:34




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 Re: HELP The Plot Sickens in reply to Allan In NE, 04-08-2006 11:11:08  
Install a new gauge and then make sure the pipe or what even it is called is rotoed as far away from the exhaust as you can.



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Jim Becker

04-08-2006 10:32:15




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 Re: HELP The Plot Sickens in reply to Allan In NE, 04-08-2006 10:13:40  
Is it possible for the tube to fall against the exhaust pipe? That would probably peg the gauge.



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Allan In NE

04-08-2006 10:41:11




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 Re: HELP The Plot Sickens in reply to Jim Becker, 04-08-2006 10:32:15  
Jim,

That darned farm is a good 15 or 17 miles out in the country and I went out there with the idea of hooking up the trailer, loadin' the old pig up and bringin' her back here to my "good shop".

I should have pulled that sheet metal off the right side of the tractor and had a closer look. The theomocoupler does thread back around that pipe and I didn't pay any attention to it on that side. I'll bet you nailed it and that does make sense.

Wanted to ask you guys before I drug that thing clear back up here in the hills. Glad I did, 'cause I think you might be on to something. The gas expands to push 'er to hot, or so I've been told.

Thanks!

Allan

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old

04-08-2006 12:55:34




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 Re: HELP The Plot Sickens in reply to Allan In NE, 04-08-2006 10:41:11  
Ah just take some foil and some fiber glass insulation with you the next time you go out and wrap it around that thingy and see if the gauge works ok. Or is that a do hicky or a whatimacall it.



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Allan In NE

04-08-2006 15:39:35




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 Re: HELP The Plot Sickens in reply to old, 04-08-2006 12:55:34  
Took the sheet metal off and reinsulated the tube. Could sure tell that it was heat that melted the old stuff away.

Re-routed it, put the tractor all back together and then used it for two hours hauling hay and the gauge never got over mid way. But, here again, I wasn't pullin' the tractor real hard either.

We'll see how it acts next week when I spring tooth that 50 acres of alfalfa ground. That ought to make 'er snort. :>)

Allan

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