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B valve adjustment, what happened?

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TKN

04-13-2006 11:48:20




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I recently completed a B- Farmall re-build. I started it up a couple of weeks ago. Everything seemed good with the exception of the throttle didn't seem to be working right which I assumed was an adjustment issue.

The last thing I had left to do was to adjust the valve levers. I got the instructions off this Board a while back and followed those instructions. It basically said to get the #1 cylinder on TDC and set #1,2,3 and 5, then get the #4 cylinder on TDC and set 4,6,7 and 8. All at .014. I did that and tried to start and it started very briefly and struggled to run then died quickly never to start again.

Is that the correct gap and procedure? The page I used appeared to be from an IH manual.

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El Toro

04-13-2006 18:47:03




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 Re: B valve adjustment, what happened? in reply to TKN, 04-13-2006 11:48:20  
You should mark the timing mark on the flywheel with some chalk. Then remove No1 sparkplug and hold your thumb over the hole while someone slowly
turns the engine over until you feel pressure against your thumb. Keep turning the engine slowly until your timing mark is aligned with the
indicator. The engine should now be at TDC on the compression stroke. Your rotor should now point to the No1 plug tower and both valves on No1
cylinder should be closed. Valves 3 & 5 should be closed too. If they are closed you now can adjust these valves. Then turn the engine one full revolution and adjust 4, 6,7 & 8. They should be closed too. Rotor should be at No4. Hal
PS: Set them at .017"

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KEB

04-13-2006 17:47:22




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 Re: B valve adjustment, what happened? in reply to TKN, 04-13-2006 11:48:20  
Hi. Setting the valves to .014 rather than 0.17 would not keep the engine from starting. It may not run as well as it could, and the valves are a lot more likely to burn, but unless there's something else wrong it will run.

Assuming you didn't change anything except the valves, you have the classic symptoms of setting the valve lash at TDC on the exhaust stroke instead of the compression stroke. This will result in the valves being so loose they never open far enough to let the engine run. Another possibility is that the valve timing is off one tooth. I've seen car engines run with the valve timing off by a tooth; they have no power & trouble reaching higher RPM.

Don't take this the wrong way, but are you absolutely certain you had #1 set at TDC on the compression stroke and not the exhaust stroke? Were the valves really tight & you had to loosen them a long ways to get enough clearance?

Quick way to check valve timing. With the valve cover off, watch the two valves on #1 as you turn the engine. The transition from exhaust to intake occurs at top dead center on the exhaust stroke. As the engine turns, you'll be able to see the exhaust valve close at the same time the intake valve opens, almost like the valves are "rocking" from one to the other. This point should correspond to top dead center on the exhaust stroke, and the timing mark should be aligned to TDC, assuming the valve timing is set correctly. One full revolution of the engine past this point, with the timing marks aligned again, will correspond to TDC on the compression stroke, which is the position at which you want to set the valve lash.

Good luck,

Keith

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El Toro

04-13-2006 13:23:22




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 Re: B valve adjustment, what happened? in reply to TKN, 04-13-2006 11:48:20  
You used the correct procedure, but you need to set the valve lash at .017" cold. At .014" cold
they're probably at .011" when hot. Hal



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Charles McNelly III

04-14-2006 17:19:32




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 Re: B valve adjustment, what happened? in reply to El Toro, 04-13-2006 13:23:22  
My IH Service book for my B says this; A clearance of .014 inch, measured when the valves are closed and the engine is WARM, is necessary between ends of valve levers and stems. If you set these up with the engine cold at .017, depending on the expansion of the metal in use, whos to say it would be right? Set them up like the manual says and there shouldn't be a problem. It also says to readjust them after 400 hours of operation.

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El Toro

04-15-2006 03:50:28




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 Re: B valve adjustment, what happened? in reply to Charles McNelly III, 04-14-2006 17:19:32  
The engine is usually cold when your're first adjusting the valves and when the engine gets hot
that clearance is going to decrease. The book says hot, not warm. Hal



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Charles McNelly III

04-15-2006 19:36:39




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 Re: B valve adjustment, what happened? in reply to El Toro, 04-15-2006 03:50:28  
Hi Hal, One more question, You say go .003 inch more when setting the valves cold, does this rule apply to all tractors? If so, good to know.
Thanks,
Charles



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El Toro

04-16-2006 03:58:13




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 Re: B valve adjustment, what happened? in reply to Charles McNelly III, 04-15-2006 19:36:39  
This is for engines with solid lifters. When you look at the .003" feeler gauge leaf that's not very much. You don't want the valves to become too tight as this can cause an engine to miss and may cause an exhaust valve to burn. Hal



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Charles McNelly III

04-16-2006 10:52:27




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 Re: B valve adjustment, what happened? in reply to El Toro, 04-16-2006 03:58:13  
Hal, if you were to so call open the exhaust valves up a little, wouldn"t this give you more compression or at the least a little more burn time? Just wondering...
Thanks again for your help,
Charles



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El Toro

04-16-2006 13:08:06




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 Re: B valve adjustment, what happened? in reply to Charles McNelly III, 04-16-2006 10:52:27  
I don't think it would be enough to notice. Hal



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Charles McNelly III

04-15-2006 19:26:46




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 Re: B valve adjustment, what happened? in reply to El Toro, 04-15-2006 03:50:28  
Hi Hal, I don"t want to argue with you but my B series Farmall tractor operators manual part # 100803R4 page 39 under valve clearance adjustment first paragraph says .014 inch measured when engine is warm. You know alot more then I do about these little tractors. I was just going by what IH printed in there manual. Thanks for the correction.
Charles



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04-13-2006 12:24:23




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 Re: B valve adjustment, what happened? in reply to TKN, 04-13-2006 11:48:20  
The way you did it sounds about right but I'm not really sure. The way I always do it is to adjust them like this. I tunr the engine till you have say 1 exhause valve opne and then adjust the intake on that cylinder, then go on the the next one. I only adjust the valves when I have the other valve open. That way I know for sure the vave I'm adjusting is close all the way.

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